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#21 samwag

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Posted April 23 2017 - 10:25 AM

I disagree if the line(feed) were in the box with the light, then all he'd have coming into the box in the pic is a single 3-wire.

 

What he needs to do is see if the black (hot) lines that are wire nutted togerther switch on and off with the switches, if they do then they are the load side and he's short one conductor, if they don't then he can tie his receptacle hot to that, and the receptacle neutral to the white conductor of the same wire whose hot remains hot when disconnected from the other.?

i think i am misreading this you are not suggesting to tie neutral from receptacle to a hot wire ?



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#22 Semperfi

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Posted April 23 2017 - 10:56 AM

I disagree if the line(feed) were in the box with the light, then all he'd have coming into the box in the pic is a single 3-wire.
 
What he needs to do is see if the black (hot) lines that are wire nutted togerther switch on and off with the switches, if they do then they are the load side and he's short one conductor, if they don't then he can tie his receptacle hot to that, and the receptacle neutral to the white conductor of the same wire whose hot remains hot when disconnected from the other.


I think we're going backwards here. The box has no neutral it's tied in at the light. You need the neutral for the outlet to work...
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#23 LI Ammo

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Posted April 23 2017 - 03:47 PM

I disagree if the line(feed) were in the box with the light, then all he'd have coming into the box in the pic is a single 3-wire.

 

What he needs to do is see if the black (hot) lines that are wire nutted togerther switch on and off with the switches, if they do then they are the load side and he's short one conductor, if they don't then he can tie his receptacle hot to that, and the receptacle neutral to the white conductor of the same wire whose hot remains hot when disconnected from the other.

 

Nope. Not to beat a dead horse, but if there isn't a neutral, it's not capable of being a circuit to attach a receptacle to. Period.

 

Without a neutral, it's called a switch leg. A switch leg can operate a light or fan, but it is not a complete circuit and cannot have an outlet attached.

 

There isn't really any other answer. A receptacle require a neutral. I don't know much about anything, but this I'm sure of. (27 years of selling switches and receptacles)



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Posted April 23 2017 - 08:27 PM

I Hate 3 ways they can get tricky



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Posted April 23 2017 - 08:50 PM

On three ways the dark screw on the switch is common with the other 2 screws which is single pole double throw.For three ways to work the feed has to go to 1 dark screw and the load light what ever on the other dark screw on the other switch.the other wires which are called travelers it doesn't matter


Edited by frank57, April 23 2017 - 08:53 PM.

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#26 Camaro45th

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Posted April 24 2017 - 04:39 AM

I Hate 3 ways they can get tricky


Especially when your not paying any attention to your wife
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Posted April 24 2017 - 05:15 AM

On three ways the dark screw on the switch is common with the other 2 screws which is single pole double throw.For three ways to work the feed has to go to 1 dark screw and the load light what ever on the other dark screw on the other switch.the other wires which are called travelers it doesn't matter

Correct "it doesn't matter" as far as tha circuit, if you want the light to be off when both switches are toggled down, and what you've got is a circuit where the light is off with one up/ one down, then switch the travellers (sometimes called runners) at one switch.



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Posted April 24 2017 - 09:08 AM

Especially when your not paying any attention to your wife



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