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#1 boosti

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Posted March 17 2017 - 12:36 PM


This is why it's important to ask what type of real training they have!

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Posted March 17 2017 - 12:51 PM

Wow... the stupid is strong here....   waving it around so carelessly is bad enough -  but demonstrating with a loaded gun? Piss poor muzzle awareness too...

 

I really wish he had gotten dinged by the front sight though... the scar would be a good reminder.



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Posted March 17 2017 - 12:51 PM

That's not good.

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Posted March 17 2017 - 07:36 PM

He's obviously never taken an Instructors course.
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Posted March 17 2017 - 08:03 PM

The keys on his keyboard are well warn.



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Posted March 17 2017 - 08:55 PM

OMG:   "Did you mean to do that?" . . . . . and he actually answeres without missing a beat:   "Yeah" and then continues to talk.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                   wow........



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Posted March 17 2017 - 10:35 PM

SMFH!

#8 Steyr AUG man

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Posted March 18 2017 - 02:49 AM

thats why the NYPD prohibited the "cocking" of the hammer on the service revolvers back sometime in the 1980's after a few accidental discharges. the minuscule pressure necessary to discharge a round when the revolver is in such a condition is amazing. less than a sneeze, with the finger on the trigger will discharge it. the thought of seeing guys put "cocked" guns to drug dealers' heads back thirty five years ago still gives me chills.



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Posted March 18 2017 - 07:28 AM

He's obviously never taken an Instructors course.

But he's a Licensed Instructor.
We have people who claim to be Firearms Instructors and give plenty of misinformation out.
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Posted March 18 2017 - 09:32 AM

he at least should be retested for same.

Prob should have been unloaded during demo, then loaded for firing

 

At least he didn't turn :o



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Posted March 18 2017 - 11:03 AM

It is not accidental discharge as in title, it is negligent discharge. And you can tell after the report, he became disoriented, not sure what to do, he walks forward to probably open the cylinder and make weapon safe, than the thought hits him. How asinine was that, I could've hurt or kill someone. I hope there not a big hole in the ceiling. I'm sure his confidence was shaken and hopefully he'll go back for training himself or get out of the instructing firearm business. IMHO
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#12 Steyr AUG man

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Posted March 20 2017 - 01:10 AM

It is not accidental discharge as in title, it is negligent discharge.

 

what is the difference?



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Posted March 20 2017 - 06:21 AM

"Accidental discharge" refers to a something truly accidental, beyond the reasonable control of the operator.
 
"Negligent discharge" is where the action or inaction of the operator causes the firearm to discharge when they didn't mean to fire a shot. 
 
Probably 99% of unintentional discharges are negligent.
 
Action = Keeping your finger on the trigger before you are about to fire = negligent discharge
 
Action = Dropping your firearm = negligent discharge
 
Inaction = Failing to verify your firearm is unloaded = negligent discharge
 
Inaction = Mechanical failure  due to poor maintenance = negligent discharge
 
And the list goes on...
 
 

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Posted March 21 2017 - 05:42 PM

then what is the difference between a vehicle accident and a collision? most accidents are not accidents?



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Posted March 21 2017 - 05:45 PM

 

"Accidental discharge" refers to a something truly accidental, beyond the reasonable control of the operator.
 
"Negligent discharge" is where the action or inaction of the operator causes the firearm to discharge when they didn't mean to fire a shot. 
 
Probably 99% of unintentional discharges are negligent.
 
Action = Keeping your finger on the trigger before you are about to fire = negligent discharge
 
Action = Dropping your firearm = negligent discharge
 
Inaction = Failing to verify your firearm is unloaded = negligent discharge
 
Inaction = Mechanical failure  due to poor maintenance = negligent discharge
 
And the list goes on...

 

most actions can be both negligent and accidental. According to Webster's Dictionary, accidental means unintentional.

 

  1. 1a :  occurring unexpectedly or by chance an accidental discovery Their meeting was purely accidental.b :  happening without intent or through carelessness and often with unfortunate results The death was ruled accidental.



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Posted March 21 2017 - 05:53 PM

Really?

 

I don't bother to verify my gun is unloaded. I pick it up with my finger on the trigger because that's what I see in the movies. I point it at your chest proclaiming <fill in the blank>. Someone bumps me from behind and the gun goes off.

 

And you would call that an accident. 

 

Really?


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#17 Steyr AUG man

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Posted March 21 2017 - 06:34 PM

no, but i would call it an accident if i was putting my firearm in a waistband holster, where my hand slipped and hit the trigger causing a discharge.



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Posted March 21 2017 - 08:54 PM

then what is the difference between a vehicle accident and a collision? most accidents are not accidents?

 

Are you sure you're not [Blue Fin] or [Captain Will] ??

 

I'd guess Captain Will. If not, his twin brother.


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Posted March 21 2017 - 10:37 PM

Are you sure you're not [Blue Fin] or [Captain Will] ??
 
I'd guess Captain Will. If not, his twin brother.

Definitely not Captain Will because he hated Cops and not Blue Fin.

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Posted March 21 2017 - 10:59 PM

What were those two users about? I got compared to them on the other site too.
And Tony Rivers.




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