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NYC Handgun Permit Applications Backed-Up 8 Months

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#21 Parashooter

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Posted March 14 2017 - 06:36 PM

As always, you should go and study the laws for yourself - I don't pay much attention to NYC, but I know that last time I really dug into it, Statewide it was REQUIRED to approve or deny in writing within 6 months from presentation of application.   And oddly enough NYC was only THREE months!

 

This may have changed - but go look up the laws for yourself  (PL sections 265 and 400 - you will find references to other sections as well in those)



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#22 IronPatriot

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Posted March 15 2017 - 11:32 AM

As always, you should go and study the laws for yourself - I don't pay much attention to NYC, but I know that last time I really dug into it, Statewide it was REQUIRED to approve or deny in writing within 6 months from presentation of application.   And oddly enough NYC was only THREE months!

 

This may have changed - but go look up the laws for yourself  (PL sections 265 and 400 - you will find references to other sections as well in those)

Thanks for the sections.  Here's what I found...400.4a:

 

4-a. Processing of license applications.  Applications for licenses shall be accepted for processing by the licensing officer at the time of presentment.  Except upon written notice to the applicant specifically stating the reasons for any delay, in each case the licensing officer shall act upon any application for a license pursuant to this section within six months of the date of presentment of such an application to the appropriate authority.  Such delay may only be for good cause and with respect to the applicant.  In acting upon an application, the licensing officer shall either deny the application for reasons specifically and concisely stated in writing or grant the application and issue the license applied for. - See more at: http://codes.findlaw...h.94WRYDGo.dpuf



#23 firemanvin

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Posted March 15 2017 - 12:20 PM

As always, you should go and study the laws for yourself - I don't pay much attention to NYC, but I know that last time I really dug into it, Statewide it was REQUIRED to approve or deny in writing within 6 months from presentation of application.   And oddly enough NYC was only THREE months!

 

This may have changed - but go look up the laws for yourself  (PL sections 265 and 400 - you will find references to other sections as well in those)

This is a realm where being right, and having the law on your side means nothing to the ordinary person of average means.  First of all, when they break the law, what are you going to do, call the police?  They are the police!  And in this realm, the blue wall of silence is encouraged to be corrupt.

 

Sure you can hire a lawyer to fight for your rights that are supposed to be protected under NYS law, but that costs money and even more time.  So you spent the money on a lawyer and by the time the issue goes before a judge, it gets resolved.  You lose no matter what.  That's the way they roll; they can't stop us but they certainly can slow us down and cost us lots of money.

 

My one thought on this is to file a civilian complaint against the police department.  There's usually a process in place that helps with complaints against the police.  While the process is more so for the anti police liberals, perhaps us good guys can make this work for us too. After all, we're not going after the good cops working the street, we're going after the corrupt ones that are monkeying around with gun licenses.



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Posted March 15 2017 - 12:50 PM

Before the Federal arrest case was front page, It took about 3 months for a NYC Premise license and about a year for a carry license.

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Posted March 15 2017 - 08:11 PM

Before the Federal arrest case was front page, It took about 3 months for a NYC Premise license and about a year for a carry license.

They told me the assigned officer would contact me within 3-4 weeks.  Then I should have it in another couple months.  It's been two months and no letter.  



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Posted March 17 2017 - 11:55 PM

I understand we have high crime in NYC, therefore we have strict gun laws. I agree with the law, extensive background checks, but this timeline they're now proposing to me seems excessive and a bit unconstitutional. I've never been arrested. I'm a family man with a solid work history. I'm active in my community here in Queens. There should be no reason, after handing in all requested paperwork, taking a legal law class (focusing on penal law 35), paying the exorbitant application fees, that they're not even looking at my application for six months... This is ridiculous.

The times they are 'a changing...

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There's strict gun laws due to politicians with an agenda. There's a background check in effect that can be completed in 15 minutes or less. The rest is just an attempt to keep gun out of the hands of law abiding citizens with a constitutional right to own 1.

Times are changing because to many people are allowing it to change. Too many people say "I agree with extensive background checks." "I agree with having to interview with an investigating officer..."

Criminal don't want traceable guns. Law abiding citizens purchase guns through legal means. There's no reason for the delay at all!! You're being delayed because too many people allowed it. Vote 2A.

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Posted March 31 2017 - 10:53 PM


 

My one thought on this is to file a civilian complaint against the police department.  There's usually a process in place that helps with complaints against the police.  While the process is more so for the anti police liberals, perhaps us good guys can make this work for us too. After all, we're not going after the good cops working the street, we're going after the corrupt ones that are monkeying around with gun licenses.

 

I never thought i'd say it, but i basically agree. But its not through CCRB, unless you are dealing with a cop or detective, as that agency is only for the uniformed force. You should really complain to the IG for the NYPD at the DOI. That is the agency that can recommend changes to NYPD policies and practices. ANd you can be annonymous.

 

Members of the public may report any complaints or concerns regarding the New York City Police Department's operations, policies, programs and practices to OIG-NYPD via the online complaint form which can be found here.

OIG-NYPD can also be contacted at:

 

Office of the Inspector General for the New York City Police Department
New York City Department of Investigation
80 Maiden Lane
New York, NY 10038
Telephone: (212) 806-5200

Please note that when communicating with OIG-NYPD, members of the public are not required to provide personally identifying information and may submit a complaint to OIG-NYPD anonymously. However, it will be harder to investigate and clarify the concerns addressed in the complaint without having a way to reach the complainant. Whistle-blower protections apply to individuals' communications with OIG-NYPD, making it illegal for anyone to retaliate against a witness or someone who files a complaint in good faith.

 

This might be a good thing to generate a paper trail that there is an issue. They issue regular reports that the management is held to account for addressing.

 

Being a cop in the shittiest parts of the city since the mid 1980's really made me see the misery that is inflicted on unarmed victims daily. The physical, emotional, and psychological trauma that victims of violence feel really damages them. There is a feeling of helplessness, and a mental state that you begin to have that develops when you are victimized again and again, and you feel you cant defend yourself against the violent predators that are impossible to separate from the decent folks just trying to live and work everyday. When you work the street spanning several decades in the same neighborhood, It is embarrassing to see decent people you get to know get brutalized by youthful predators who have such a nihilist attitude towards their life and the life of their random victims. Its embarrassing because you take the report, but they know you cant protect them, and you cant legally let them protect themselves.

 

If they could be legally armed, they would feel empowered and not depressed about being older and weaker than the predators roaming freely among them.  The NYPD's denial of the basic human right of self protection to its citizens is the biggest injustice the city's population will ever face.



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Posted May 14 2017 - 08:55 PM

 It's been two months and no letter.


Be patient. Expect a letter around 7 months. Keep us posted

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Posted May 14 2017 - 11:42 PM

Since Chambers recently got arrested for bribing guys at the licensing division, I think that might not be your best option.

Yuo might have to wait it out with the ordinary schmoes like everybody else now.



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Posted May 15 2017 - 08:54 AM

I called every couple months with no luck until last Monday.  Whoever picked up the phone at NYPD1 put me directly through to my assigned case officer.  The officer was very pleasant and helpful.  She looked up my file and said to expect my letter in about a week.  If this works as said it would put the entire process to be around 6-7 months (estimate), as the time from letter to permit takes around 1 month.  

 

I'm sure most of you know about the Shia Lichtenstein bribe scandal.  If I do receive my permit in 6-7 months I can't complain about the new crew at the license division.  I can only imagine the cleanup and pressure down there.  

 

My only complaint at this point are the guns laws.  There are many people living closely together in the city, so I support a stringent permit process.  However, if the permit holder has proven to be an upstanding citizen I feel the law and its regulation should soften.  There's no reason why any good person should be held to such tight laws.  At the end of the day those of us in the city do not technically own our firearms.  If they can be taken from us at any minute then we do not truly own them.  

 

Thanks for the replies.  I'll continue to update my progress.  Always good to hear other's stories, so feel free to share here.  



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Posted May 15 2017 - 09:32 AM

If you had the extra cash and used an attorney the process was expedited. The attorney that was arrested complained​ when he was at 1PP he would always see Shia Lichtenstein. The corruption was going on many years.
Mayor deBlasio and the police commissioner have a good opportunity to improve the pistol license application process.

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Posted May 15 2017 - 09:36 AM

Hopefully the gun license scandal will improve the process for legit applicants rather than making it harder.  Could go either way.  



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Posted May 15 2017 - 06:45 PM

Hopefully the gun license scandal will improve the process for legit applicants rather than making it harder.  Could go either way.  

 It will never improve it will ONLY get worse and harder.

 

 Politician in this state and specially in the NYC including 99.9% of the officers working in the gun licensing division have one agenda in mind...

 

 Make sure that NYC is gun free city as possible.

 

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Posted May 15 2017 - 06:57 PM

It will never improve it will ONLY get worse and harder.
 
 Politician in this state and specially in the NYC including 99.9% of the officers working in the gun licensing division have one agenda in mind...
 
 Make sure that NYC is gun free city as possible.
 
Simong.

Many counties in New York are just as difficult or worse for a pistol license. Hopefully the SCOTUS will hear and rule in our favor. That will certainly change the good cause ruling that California and New York require for a pistol license.

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Posted May 24 2017 - 11:00 PM

Very annoying that you can only pick up the Purchase Authorization between 9am till 12 pm. The PA is valid for 30 days. Once you buy your pistol, it's 72 hrs to get back to 1PP to get it registered between 12pm till 2pm. I almost didn't make that 2 hr window last time. 5 hr round trip for me lol. 2 hrs in traffic going in. 1 hr to park, run in to get it registered. 2 hrs going home. Wish they would also process in Kew Gardens.
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Posted May 24 2017 - 11:01 PM

I must say everyone I met during the whole process was very nice.
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Posted Yesterday, 05:58 PM

Very annoying that you can only pick up the Purchase Authorization between 9am till 12 pm. The PA is valid for 30 days. Once you buy your pistol, it's 72 hrs to get back to 1PP to get it registered between 12pm till 2pm. I almost didn't make that 2 hr window last time. 5 hr round trip for me lol. 2 hrs in traffic going in. 1 hr to park, run in to get it registered. 2 hrs going home. Wish they would also process in Kew Gardens.

 

The Kew Gardens office is not even a 10 minute walk from my house. I would love going there to do the whole pistol process.







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