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#21 Steyr AUG man

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Posted February 28 2017 - 03:21 PM

Have we given up our conservative principles because we know no serious candidate who embraces them can ever get elected? Have we settled for a pathetic con man, who promised us whatever we wanted to hear, all the while with us knowing he could not possibly deliver? Did we settle for a RINO, and a just barely one at that, instead of what we all know we need in this country?

Ask yourself why can't serious, true conservatives get elected? How did we get here, settling for a sideshow executive branch government, that looks more like a SNL skit than the writers of SNL could ever fabricate?

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#22 leftjammer

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Posted February 28 2017 - 03:22 PM

She might have been, in some regard. I don't think he is as dedicated to our cause to the degree that was against it. She was more idealistic, and had a better shot at accomplishing her goals than he has. That's my issue with him. We put a weak fool in there, who meanders to and fro and can't stay focused, consistantly taking his eye off the prize.

 

 

When you start using words like "fool" to describe someone that is 100,000% more successful than you will ever be, there is a good chance you will likely be eating those words in the near future.

Alot of liberals having been eating their words since Trump was elected.

You just might be the latest invitee that will be dining with them soon.


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Posted February 28 2017 - 03:27 PM

Have we given up our conservative principles because we know no serious candidate who embraces them can ever get elected? Have we settled for a pathetic con man, who promised us whatever we wanted to hear, all the while with us knowing he could not possibly deliver? Did we settle for a RINO, and a just barely one at that, instead of what we all know we need in this country?

Ask yourself why can't serious, true conservatives get elected? How did we get here, settling for a sideshow executive branch government, that looks more like a SNL skit than the writers of SNL could ever fabricate?

 

 

Maybe you should get off your high horse and go work for hillary...

she needs more minions, and apparently you are a fan of hers and not the president....

Take you blasphemy and shove where the good Lord split ya



#24 Steyr AUG man

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Posted February 28 2017 - 03:35 PM

Maybe you should get off your high horse and go work for hillary...

she needs more minions, and apparently you are a fan of hers and not the president....

Take you blasphemy and shove where the good Lord split ya

What do you think of all his statements here:

 

 



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Posted February 28 2017 - 04:09 PM

Single payer is the only solution to all the problems mentioned here. medicare works, just give medicare to all. eliminate the profit motive in the insurance business. eliminate the VA, spread the most coverage over the most population. it will all work out. do it through a small national sales tax, coupled with a small tax on business, much less than they pay now for health premiums. private industry has shown that they cant get the job done.

 

I don't think you can say Medicare works when it is facing trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities. Add to that the unfunded liabilities associated with Social Security and I don't think you can claim either system works.

 

Beyond that I'm against the notion that the federal government has a Constitutional mandate to be involved in healthcare management or retirement programs. We have created a massive bureaucracy that is unaccountable and unmanageable. These types of issues should have been left to and should now be sent back to communities and states to deal with.


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Posted February 28 2017 - 04:54 PM

What do you think of all his statements here:

 

 

 

 

I think they are statement that were made years ago, and selectivly compiled for people just like you. I also see a man who has evolved in his position, who is now POTUS, and who clearly is much, much smarter than you will ever be.

 

 But you keep putting you blasphemy out there, and keep trying to convince yourself shillary would be better. We all get a good laugh out of it. The second clip from the Howard Stern show?......., this is the "liberal proof" about Trumps position on Iraq??..... you folks are so laughable



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Posted February 28 2017 - 06:04 PM

You sleep better knowing this guy is in there? You are surely not a conservative then.

 

 

He said we need universal healthcare, paid for by the government.

He said he loves universal healthcare.

He said single payer works incredibly well in Canada.

He said he identifies more as a democrat.

He hates the concept of guns.

He thinks the republicans are too "crazy right".

He's very pro-choice.

He says Nancy Pelosi is a very impressive person.

He said impeaching Bush would have been a wonderful thing.

He said Obama is a strong guy, and that is what we need.

He knows the economy does better under the democrats than the republicans.

He thinks eminent domain is a wonderful thing.

He said we cant throw illegal immigrants out if they lived here for a number of years.

 

 

How do the above positions line up with most any brother on this site?

 

Steyer, so, he took some positions in the past and subsequently changed his mind.   Ten years ago, I was a moderate to moderate (but very active) democrat, pro-choice and without strong convictions on 2A rights (not a hot topic for me, although it is now!).  People change--and the changes can be dramatic.   It doesn't matter what I believed 10 years ago, it's what I believe now that matters.   Usually converts are the most hardcore members of a movement or religious group because they made a conscious decision to join--it wasn't just by default because their parents believed something.   That said, maybe Trump isn't your prototypical "conservative" out of the Barry Goldwater mold---who cares?   He's a pragmatist, not an ideologue. That works for me.   I am a conservative on most issues, but frankly, I don't give a crap about the label.  Anyone who is a pure "this" or "that" is someone that is misguided.   The world isn't black or white.   Sometimes you have to compromise.  Sometimes you also have to be willing to change your views and consider new evidence when facing problems.   It's fine radio talk show hosts like Mark Levine to be an ideologue and do his "conservative" thing---I wouldn't want him to be my president.  I agree with Trump on 80% of his positions--strongly agree in most cases.  That works for me!   I also think he's bringing in some views--perhaps views once held by blue dog democrats (working union men from blue collar states) that will make the GOP viable for years to come.   For the first time, the GOP is seen as representing working people, not just Wall Street (which is now the darling of democrats).   That's great as far as I am concerned.   You may not like Trump's style, but he is changing the party for the good.   I am excited for our future and yes, Trump is definitely making our country safer---or at least trying his hardest to do so.   

 

If you can honestly say that Hillary would have, in some ways, been better for us than Trump--well, how can you possibly consider yourself a "conservative".   I don't vote for criminals--period!



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Posted February 28 2017 - 06:12 PM

Then what is Canada's "socialist" healthcare system about?
Power? Taxation? Control?,
Likely not. It seems to be just about keeping its citizens healthy. Why cant we have that here?
 
5 Myths About Canadian Health Care
 
An 11-country survey carried out in 2010 by the Commonwealth Fund, a Washington-based health policy foundation, found that adults in the United States are by far the most likely to go without care because of cost. In fact, 42 percent of the Americans surveyed did not express confidence that they would be able to afford health care if seriously ill.

I never heard anyone from the US going to Canada for health care. People have come from all over the world to the US.

#29 Steyr AUG man

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Posted February 28 2017 - 06:26 PM

If what a man says means nothing, on what basis did folks vote for him? If you can't rely on his words, what are you basing your decision to vote for him on? My views on guns have not evolved. I was shooting when I was less than ten years old.

Do you think a guy who was an avowed homo in high school can later renounce being gay? If he does, is he no longer gay?
If Malcolm X, later in life renounced the racist things he said years before, is he not a racist anymore?
If Bruce Jenner renounces being a man, is he not still a confused man?
If a lifelong liberal whacko, who later in life sees an opportunistic opening in a political race due to a weak GOP bench, renounces his political beliefs and claims to be republican, do you take him at his (meaningless) word?
Should a guy who dodges the draft by getting a family doctor to write him a note claiming he suffered from a physical ailment which precludes him from being drafted, while years later he can't even name which extremity it involved, be put in the position of commander in chief?

You mention him being successful. I guess you drank the koolaide on that one. If your parents paid for you to go to one of the top business schools in the country, and then lent you hundreds of millions of dollars to get you started in business in your early years, would your success have anything to do with any unique personal talent you were blessed with, or is it more likely that your "success" was due to your status as a privileged kid from a millionaire family? I have more respect for the guy who started out as a dishwasher, and now owns multiple restaurants on city island. That's a guy who became successful after bringing himself up from nothing.

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Posted February 28 2017 - 07:42 PM

Then what is Canada's "socialist" healthcare system about?

Power? Taxation? Control?,

Likely not. It seems to be just about keeping its citizens healthy. Why cant we have that here?

 

5 Myths About Canadian Health Care

 

An 11-country survey carried out in 2010 by the Commonwealth Fund, a Washington-based health policy foundation, found that adults in the United States are by far the most likely to go without care because of cost. In fact, 42 percent of the Americans surveyed did not express confidence that they would be able to afford health care if seriously ill.

I wouldn't get too excited about Canada. We've all heard the stories of Canadians who come here for treatment because there is often a wait to get it in Canada. I know someone who waited a year for an MRI. Obviously not a life threatening condition but still there was a reason and treatment was probably delayed. Our Medicare system went awry when they decided to start paying disability benefits to people who never worked or never will work and pay into the system as opposed to just using it for "retirement". A one payer system is fine provided they can come up with an equitable way to fund it that allows providers to make a decent living.



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Posted February 28 2017 - 08:13 PM

That's why they should remove theoverhead of provider duplication of effort, and have single payer.

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Posted February 28 2017 - 11:45 PM

Anybody see the speech tonight? He does have a good speechwriter, and i wouldnt doubt if a prescription for Xanax either.



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Posted February 28 2017 - 11:52 PM

I don't think you can say Medicare works when it is facing trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities. Add to that the unfunded liabilities associated with Social Security and I don't think you can claim either system works.

 

Thats a red herring. Is welfare facing trillions of unfunded liabilities? Its all unfunded liabilities. They find the money. If you can find the money for poor who dont want to work, how can you be such an apologist for the likes of the Koch Brothers and blame old people who worked their whole lives making this country great? Another drinker of koolaid.



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Posted March 01 2017 - 12:26 AM

If what a man says means nothing, on what basis did folks vote for him? If you can't rely on his words, what are you basing your decision to vote for him on? My views on guns have not evolved. I was shooting when I was less than ten years old.

Do you think a guy who was an avowed homo in high school can later renounce being gay? If he does, is he no longer gay?
If Malcolm X, later in life renounced the racist things he said years before, is he not a racist anymore?
If Bruce Jenner renounces being a man, is he not still a confused man?
If a lifelong liberal whacko, who later in life sees an opportunistic opening in a political race due to a weak GOP bench, renounces his political beliefs and claims to be republican, do you take him at his (meaningless) word?
Should a guy who dodges the draft by getting a family doctor to write him a note claiming he suffered from a physical ailment which precludes him from being drafted, while years later he can't even name which extremity it involved, be put in the position of commander in chief?

You mention him being successful. I guess you drank the koolaide on that one. If your parents paid for you to go to one of the top business schools in the country, and then lent you hundreds of millions of dollars to get you started in business in your early years, would your success have anything to do with any unique personal talent you were blessed with, or is it more likely that your "success" was due to your status as a privileged kid from a millionaire family? I have more respect for the guy who started out as a dishwasher, and now owns multiple restaurants on city island. That's a guy who became successful after bringing himself up from nothing.

Well by your train of thinking I'm a hardcore alcoholic who likes to beat the crap out of people while on drug listen to hard thrash and sleeping with as many women as I can in one day be them married or not, as well as not paying my bills or hold a steady jod or being a father to my children. Because I can't change my ways or beleifs.

 

So I must be liven a lie as a happily married father of 2 who take them to church and after school activities so they have every chance of being probuctive well round loving people and proud American citizens.

 

 

Oh by the way I was pro choose and I still am. Only because it not my choose what you choose. So by your thinking I shouldn't have kids

 

My stance on guns hasn't changed either but my stance on gun control has changed. So am I a anti cause I see the need for some level of gun control.

 

 

Ps Hillary was never and will never be a good choose for this country as she stated that she no long believe the constitution was a relevant document. So I guess your beleif in her was a contradiction to you stance on guns since she surely was go streight for them as she stated numerous time.



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Posted March 01 2017 - 02:55 AM

looking at the whole narrative and syntax of your post, and noting the time posted, i will chalk it up to drinking while posting. unless its not. spellcheck and a little punctuation go a long way toward making a post cogent.



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Posted March 01 2017 - 05:05 AM

The one good thing coming out of this ridiculously written thread is I figured out who to ignore.
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Posted March 01 2017 - 05:44 AM

Obamacare was never about health care. It was about power, control and taxation.

 

Actually, Obama and the rest of the DNC wanted something similar to single payer socialism so they could start importing millions of refugees and give them get free healthcare to vote Democrat. They would implement Sharia law, ban guns for the police, legalize crystal meth and close every jail in America in a second if they thought it would energize their new voter base and win them elections.



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Posted March 01 2017 - 05:47 AM

The one good thing coming out of this ridiculously written thread is I figured out who to ignore.

Yup...Steyr is actually Racheal Maddow, thankfully someone told me how to block the nonsense. Much nicer reading experience in here when you don't have to put on your cow manure waders.



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Posted March 01 2017 - 07:02 AM

Yup...Steyr is actually Racheal Maddow, thankfully someone told me how to block the nonsense. Much nicer reading experience in here when you don't have to put on your cow manure waders.

There used to be a guy on this forum before "the purge" called Captain Will. I think he has returned under a different name.

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Posted March 01 2017 - 08:21 AM

There used to be a guy on this forum before "the purge" called Captain Will. I think he has returned under a different name.

 

 

Hate to say it, Will had more class than that jerk who just wants to post inflammatory and derogatory comments about the man  the people of the USA elected POTUS.

  He sounds like more of a butt-hurt liberal to me masquerading as some kind of hard core conservative.






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