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Did he really not know that healthcare was that complicated?


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#1 Steyr AUG man

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Posted February 28 2017 - 12:00 AM

Now those who arent even paying attention must be laughing also.

 

President Trump: ‘Nobody Knew Health Care Could Be So Complicated’

 

"If there’s one thing almost everybody across the political spectrum knows about health-care reform, it’s that it’s really hard. People who study the issue closely know it. People who don’t follow the issue know. (That’s why lots of smart people don’t follow the issue closely — it’s really hard!) But there is apparently a category of people who did not realize until very recently that the issue is hard, and that category consists of Donald J. Trump, who told reporters today, “It’s an unbelievably complex subject. Nobody knew health care could be so complicated.”"

 

This is both hysterically funny, and profoundly sad at the same time. I thought he promised to repeal and replace on day one. He didnt realize until today that it is really "so complicated"? That means he never had a serious discussion with anyone on it before now.

 

What a con man.

 

He said he would repeal it and replace it all on the same day.

 

All I know is he better sign that HR28 Concealed Carry Reciprocity bill before his presidency collapses from this russia scandal.

 



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Posted February 28 2017 - 12:22 AM

Yes. Just like the Asshats the voted in Obamacare they didnt know what was in the law or haw the healthcar sysrem worked or how healthcare insurance work either. The democ4ats spent 8 years toughting how great it is but never told anyone that the new system was rigged to implode in the next 2 to 3 years but the insurance companys have work a end run around it to stay alive for awhile longer now Trump has to fix it. You don't like it well tuff S@%# your stuck with him for 4 more years.

 

You fail to see he has already done what most Americans wanted he killed the two biggest crime families in America the Democrats and Republicans. 


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#3 Steyr AUG man

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Posted February 28 2017 - 01:44 AM

Yes. Just like the Asshats the voted in Obamacare they didnt know what was in the law or haw the healthcar sysrem worked or how healthcare insurance work either. The democ4ats spent 8 years toughting how great it is but never told anyone that the new system was rigged to implode in the next 2 to 3 years but the insurance companys have work a end run around it to stay alive for awhile longer now Trump has to fix it. You don't like it well tuff S@%# your stuck with him for 4 more years.


Rubio strategically, intentionally sabotaged it by writing a bill that ended funding for the Risk corridors, a necessary part of the plan to make it sustainable. You wound up with a situation where the Republican congressman puts a bill to purposefully destroy the plan, then when the plan starts to implode, they say "oh look, it is imploding". what a bunch of disingenuous liars they are, and there is a certain low information element of the public, who dont think for themselves, but rather just happily gobble up the fallacious gruel served by Fox news,  that actually believed them that it collapsed under its own weight.
 

Marco Rubio Quietly Undermines Affordable Care Act
 
WASHINGTON — A little-noticed health care provision slipped into a giant spending law last year has tangled up the Obama administration, sent tremors through health insurance markets and rattled confidence in the durability of President Obama’s signature health law.
 
The attack stems from two years of effort by Senator Marco Rubio and others in Congress to undermine a key financing mechanism in the law. So for all the Republican talk about dismantling the Affordable Care Act, one Republican presidential hopeful has actually done something toward achieving that goal.
 
Mr. Rubio’s efforts against the so-called risk corridor provision of the health law have hardly risen to the forefront of the race for the Republican presidential nomination, but his plan limiting how much the government can spend to protect insurance companies against financial losses has shown the effectiveness of quiet legislative sabotage.
 
The risk corridors were intended to help some insurance companies if they ended up with too many new sick people on their rolls and too little cash from premiums to cover their medical bills in the first three years under the health law. But because of Mr. Rubio’s efforts, the administration says it will pay only 13 percent of what insurance companies were expecting to receive this year. The payments were supposed to help insurers cope with the risks they assumed when they decided to participate in the law’s new insurance marketplaces.

Mr. Rubio’s talking point is bumper-sticker ready. The payments, he says, are “a taxpayer-funded bailout for insurance companies.” But without them, insurers say, many consumers will face higher premiums and may have to scramble for other coverage. Already, some insurers have shut down over the unexpected shortfall.
 
“Risk corridors have become a political football,” said Dawn H. Bonder, the president and chief executive of Health Republic of Oregon, an insurance co-op that announced in October it would close its doors after learning that it would receive only $995,000 of the $7.9 million it had expected from the government. “We were stable, had a growing membership and could have been successful if we had received those payments. We relied on the payments in pricing our plans, but the government reneged on its promise. I am disgusted.”
 
Blue Cross and Blue Shield executives have warned the administration and Congress that eliminating the federal payments could have a devastating impact on insurance markets.
 
Twelve of the 23 nonprofit insurance cooperatives created under the law have failed, disrupting coverage for more than 700,000 people, and co-op executives like Ms. Bonder have angrily cited the sharp reduction in federal payments as a factor in their demise.
 
But Mr. Rubio is pressing forward, demanding a provision in the final spending bill now under negotiation that continues the current risk corridor restrictions, or even eliminates the program altogether. That enormous spending bill is being worked out as Congress slides toward a deadline of Friday, when much of the federal government’s funding runs out.
 
Congress established the program in 2010 to protect insurers against the uncertainties they faced in setting the level of insurance premiums when they did not know who would sign up for coverage under the Affordable Care Act. Under the law, the federal government shares risk with insurers, limiting their gains and losses on insurance sold in the public marketplaces from 2014 through 2016. If consumer payments to an insurer exceed the company’s medical expenses by a certain amount, the insurer pays some of that profit to the government. But if premium payments fall short of medical expenditures by a certain amount, the insurer is eligible for payments from the government.
 
The hope was that payments into the program would be in balance with payments out, shielding taxpayers from responsibility.

 

You fail to see he has already done what most Americans wanted he killed the two biggest crime families in America the Democrats and Republicans.

But that means there is only his Trumpism party. We cant live under a one party system. The possibly of a party with no opposition party is dangerous.
 



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Posted February 28 2017 - 05:27 AM

It really amazes me all these complaints about premiums and the insurance companies having too many "sick" people. Back in the day, health insurance worked just like any other insurance. You had certain chronic conditions, you paid more. Just like if you smoke you pay more for life insurance. It's risk based. But then NY passed "community rating". Everyone pays the same for insurance regardless of your pre-existing conditions. At the time my premium almost doubled as a result. Quality healthcare costs money. They've been going about controlling costs the wrong way by just cutting what they pay providers and hospitals. If they want doctors to accept lower reimbursements, then they need to subsidize their education like they do in Canada or eventually we're not going to be happy with who we have to provide our medical care.


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Posted February 28 2017 - 06:37 AM

so the RINO's kept sending obozo alternatives to obamacare that he kept vetoing...maybe 30 times.

All they did was biatch and moan that obozo kept vetoing their "plan". Now that Trump is president they dont have a plan.??

 

 WTF is that all about??

I hope Trump reams everyone of them corrupt RINO's and democraps tonight .

They having been screwing over the American people for well over 30yrs. 


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Posted February 28 2017 - 08:26 AM

I think the point is nobody knew including those that thought they could efficiently revamp the whole seem and save money by jamming through a 2500 page bill no one read and no one understood. That bill made the system even more complicated so part of the solution is repealing it and breaking the issue down into smaller, easier to understand segments that can be refashioned without destroying the system.


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Posted February 28 2017 - 08:29 AM

You can blame Barack for the health care mess.
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Posted February 28 2017 - 11:24 AM

There's a WORLD of **** in ObamaCare that can be done away with, without anybody being hurt and no political fallout. E.G., there's a 20% penalty if you withdraw money from a health savings account (HSA) and not use it for a medical expense. Why? IRAs and 401Ks only have  10% penalty (in addition to the amount taxed as regular income).

 

The only possible reason is ideological. The collectivists want to punish people who take control and personal responsibility of their own health care and insurance. Progressive collectivists can't stand people like that. They want to lock everybody into single payer so that they are in total control and they are the decision makers. Not you and not your doctor. Health care providers will cater to whomever is paying the bills and under single payer, that ain't you.

 

Check out all the other taxes that will make your nose hairs curl.

http://www.atr.org/f...tax-hikes-a6996



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Posted February 28 2017 - 12:05 PM

Single payer is the only solution to all the problems mentioned here. medicare works, just give medicare to all. eliminate the profit motive in the insurance business. eliminate the VA, spread the most coverage over the most population. it will all work out. do it through a small national sales tax, coupled with a small tax on business, much less than they pay now for health premiums. private industry has shown that they cant get the job done.



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Posted February 28 2017 - 12:15 PM

Single payer is the only solution to all the problems mentioned here. medicare works, just give medicare to all. eliminate the profit motive in the insurance business. eliminate the VA, spread the most coverage over the most population. it will all work out. do it through a small national sales tax, coupled with a small tax on business, much less than they pay now for health premiums. private industry has shown that they cant get the job done.

 

Fine. Just make it optional. If you want to participate, go right ahead. Just don't FORCE me to participate or subsidize it with excise taxes and the like.

 

But that won't work, will it. The only way a collectivist scheme works, even for a time, is to force everyone to participate. Then, it becomes a bigger problem with no solution. it can never be undone. That's always the strategy.

 

Everybody likes to tout how "popular" Social Security is. If it were so popular, and such a great deal, you could make it optional. But you'd have to be out of your ******* mind to give 15% of all your earnings to the government, if you were given the choice not to.


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Posted February 28 2017 - 12:25 PM


 

Everybody likes to tout how "popular" Social Security is. If it were so popular, and such a great deal, you could make it optional. But you'd have to be out of your ******* mind to give 15% of all your earnings to the government, if you were given the choice not to.

 

I thought it was 6.2%. where do you get 15%?

 

OASDI and SSI Program Rates & Limits, 2016

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Posted February 28 2017 - 12:51 PM

 

I thought it was 6.2%. where do you get 15%?

 

OASDI and SSI Program Rates & Limits, 2016

 

 

Okay, it's 15.3% with Medicare. I rounded.

 

Can I live on SS and Medicare after I retire without supplementing it with additional solutions (e.g., IRAs, 401Ks, savings, private investments, supplemental health plans etc)? Not even close. There isn't a doctor worth his $#!+ that will even take Medicare anymore. Why do you think that is?

 

You wanna opt for the government solution, go right ahead. I don't care. Oh, but you think the private sector is demonstrably incapable of managing these things. All the money you and I have paid for Medicare and Social Security is gone. It was spent. It's ALL gone. It exists only in the form of IOU's from the Treasury. Where does the Treasury get the money to pay back those 10s of trillions of dollars? Tax revenue. You (or somebody) are going to have to pony up that money again.

 

These things are the very definition of a pyramid (e.g., "Ponzi") scheme.


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Posted February 28 2017 - 01:45 PM

@steyer AUG man, dude, we all know that Trump is prone to using hyperbole.   Of course, we all know that we he said "nobody knew healthcare could be this complicated" is basically his way of saying "''he' didn't know healthcare could be so complicated."   You can't be like the MSM and take him literally.    All presidents learn on the job and are surprised at the complexities of the issues they have to face... Trump is no different.   He was interviewed on Fox this morning and said as much... big difference between buying Trump Force One for himself and 2500 F-35 strike fighters for three different military branches with various specs and needs.  People need to stop focusing on his Trumpisms and start to focuses on his actions.   He many not speak as precisely or legalistically as some past presidents like Obama and Clinton, but he speaks from the heart to a fault.  We don't have to guess about Trumps plans or intentions.   He lays everything out there for us to follow and he really intends to do what he promises--even if it doesn't always work out.   You can take issues with his policies, but the man is definitely not a filled with the typical politician BS we hear so often.   If that means he sounds more like your cousin or next door neighbor than a Harvard poli-sci professor/lawyer like Obama--I say "YAY!"   We have a real person on the job that actually is there because he gives a crap about our country and its citizens--more so than his own personal enrichment.  If you're on this forum, I would think you would be rooting for his success and praying for him every day--I certainly am.   I know I sleep much better at night knowing he's in the White House.   



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Posted February 28 2017 - 01:49 PM

Obamacare was never about health care. It was about power, control and taxation.
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Posted February 28 2017 - 02:08 PM

Obamacare was never about health care. It was about power, control and taxation.

 

Thats EXACTLY what it is


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Posted February 28 2017 - 02:29 PM

Obamacare was never about health care. It was about power, control and taxation.

Then what is Canada's "socialist" healthcare system about?

Power? Taxation? Control?,

Likely not. It seems to be just about keeping its citizens healthy. Why cant we have that here?

 

5 Myths About Canadian Health Care

 

An 11-country survey carried out in 2010 by the Commonwealth Fund, a Washington-based health policy foundation, found that adults in the United States are by far the most likely to go without care because of cost. In fact, 42 percent of the Americans surveyed did not express confidence that they would be able to afford health care if seriously ill.



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Posted February 28 2017 - 02:41 PM

Oh, now we're using Canada as the paragon of social economics? We're not Canada. We're not Great Britain, Switzerland, Sweden or the EU. We're the United States of America. There are many reasons constructs might work in those places and not work here. And vice versa.

 

ObamaCare is not complicated. It's very simple:

 

"Some people don't have health insurance. So, let's use Federal regulations to wreck the free-market system for those who do."


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Posted February 28 2017 - 02:46 PM

@steyer AUG man, dude, we all know that Trump is prone to using hyperbole.   Of course, we all know that we he said "nobody knew healthcare could be this complicated" is basically his way of saying "''he' didn't know healthcare could be so complicated."   You can't be like the MSM and take him literally.    All presidents learn on the job and are surprised at the complexities of the issues they have to face... Trump is no different.   He was interviewed on Fox this morning and said as much... big difference between buying Trump Force One for himself and 2500 F-35 strike fighters for three different military branches with various specs and needs.  People need to stop focusing on his Trumpisms and start to focuses on his actions.   He many not speak as precisely or legalistically as some past presidents like Obama and Clinton, but he speaks from the heart to a fault.  We don't have to guess about Trumps plans or intentions.   He lays everything out there for us to follow and he really intends to do what he promises--even if it doesn't always work out.   You can take issues with his policies, but the man is definitely not a filled with the typical politician BS we hear so often.   If that means he sounds more like your cousin or next door neighbor than a Harvard poli-sci professor/lawyer like Obama--I say "YAY!"   We have a real person on the job that actually is there because he gives a crap about our country and its citizens--more so than his own personal enrichment.  If you're on this forum, I would think you would be rooting for his success and praying for him every day--I certainly am.   I know I sleep much better at night knowing he's in the White House.   

 

You sleep better knowing this guy is in there? You are surely not a conservative then.

 

 

He said we need universal healthcare, paid for by the government.

He said he loves universal healthcare.

He said single payer works incredibly well in Canada.

He said he identifies more as a democrat.

He hates the concept of guns.

He thinks the republicans are too "crazy right".

He's very pro-choice.

He says Nancy Pelosi is a very impressive person.

He said impeaching Bush would have been a wonderful thing.

He said Obama is a strong guy, and that is what we need.

He knows the economy does better under the democrats than the republicans.

He thinks eminent domain is a wonderful thing.

He said we cant throw illegal immigrants out if they lived here for a number of years.

 

 

How do the above positions line up with most any brother on this site?



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Posted February 28 2017 - 03:05 PM

You sleep better knowing this guy is in there? You are surely not a conservative then.

 

 

He said we need universal healthcare, paid for by the government.

He said he loves universal healthcare.

He said single payer works incredibly well in Canada.

He said he identifies more as a democrat.

He hates the concept of guns.

He thinks the republicans are too "crazy right".

He's very pro-choice.

He says Nancy Pelosi is a very impressive person.

He said impeaching Bush would have been a wonderful thing.

He said Obama is a strong guy, and that is what we need.

He knows the economy does better under the democrats than the republicans.

He thinks eminent domain is a wonderful thing.

He said we cant throw illegal immigrants out if they lived here for a number of years.

 

 

How do the above positions line up with most any brother on this site?

Hillary or one of those establishment republicans would of been a far better president



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Posted February 28 2017 - 03:14 PM

She might have been, in some regard. I don't think he is as dedicated to our cause to the degree that she was against it. She was more idealistic, and had a better shot at accomplishing her goals than he has. That's my issue with him. We put a weak fool in there, who meanders to and fro and can't stay focused, consistantly taking his eye off the prize.






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