^^ This many, many times over. And especially a question posted in the "Newbies" section! I mean, what kind of people browse the newbies section and make fun of their "stupid questions"?? It's just beyond me, and I've been on forums for decades now. Even Moderator on some. And I still can't believe the negativity from a very select few that this post elicited. Trying to find the line in the legal sand doesn't equal intending to break the laws. People can talk about interpreting law without being assumed to be intending criminal acts... isn't that kinda sorta what attorneys do every day?
Home Depot/Grocery Store scenario was posed because Home Depot/Grocery Store sells drinks. Which is a permissible stop for non alcoholic beverages to and from the range. Why else would the question be asked.. I mean, the point was quite obviously, does it have to be a friggin' 7-11 or can it be as stated in the manual, loosely at best, "any place which primary purpose isn't the sale of alcohol".
Questions are supposed to engage minds in thinking, not invalidation of the question/OP. Don't shy away new members with harsh unwarranted replies.. its not appropriate on forums and no one appreciates it or thinks it's cute. Just say nothing, if you have nothing constructive to add. Otherwise, if the answer is "RTFM", then just close the whole forum down. No point for discussion.
Is the best you can come up with is Home Depot sells drinks?!?!
I am all for addressing questions but when the questions take the form of those posed in the OP I take issue with them...
"I'm a member of a 24/7 gun range! That means I can pretty much always carry, as I'm "Always headed to or from the range..."
That is not a legitimate inquiry into the limitations imposed by the restrictions (again, unconstitutional in my opinion) on our license. No one is always headed to or from the range even if they are a member of a 24/7 range. The foundation of this question was "can I get away with violating the license restrictions because I'm a member of a 24/7 range? That was the question.
"I'm on the way to the range and a crazed lunatic jumps in front of me. He attacks me physically, but isn't trying to take my weapon (because I'm concealed and doesn't know I have one). Just a crazy on a meth bender. Am I legally liable for using my weapon to defend myself, since it isn't a "Full Carry"?"
I doubt anyone that has spent any time seriously reading the NYS PL or the handbook can come away from that "study" to ask the question "Am I legally liable for using my weapon". You are ALWAYS legally liable for using your weapon. The standard for using lethal force is a reasonable belief that some is or is about to used force sufficient to cause death or serious bodily injury. This is fundamental and addressed in both the PL and handbook.
"What about to and from the range, while in the company of others? For example, on the way back from the range and I pick up the wife. She needs a few things at the grocery store. Is this a legit stop? What if I need something at Home Depot? It's not for fuel, it's not food and beverage. Is this "carrying outside of license"?"
This is another question that is clearly addressed in the handbook and in my opinion, given the context created by the first question, another question that looks to sidestep the restrictions. Picking up your wife is not incidental to your travel to and from the range and a stop at the grocery store or Home Depot are certainly not incidental to your trip to/from the range.
The restrictions on our license are an abomination IMHO. If you set on violating those restriction do so based on your own understanding of the PL and handbook. Of course I'm assuming anyone with a license has read both. Don't attempt to get moral support for your decision by posting questions framed in the way they were framed in the OP.