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The ATF Is Illegally Hoarding American Gun Owners’ Personal Information

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#1 jimmy958

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Posted August 03 2016 - 11:58 AM

"A government report discovered the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)
illegally stockpiles gun owners’ personal information.

The U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO), the go-to federal oversight agency, conducted an
audit of ATF and found it does not remove certain identifiable information, despite the law
explicitly mandating it do so. GAO conducted reviews for four data systems, and concluded at least
two of ATF’s systems violated official protocols."

Read more: http://dailycaller.c...al-information/

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#2 Strat688

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Posted August 03 2016 - 12:18 PM

Doesn't surprise me
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Posted August 03 2016 - 12:30 PM

All i know is Trump better win this election cause if this ***** gets in its gonna get so bad for gun owners that it will make the safe act look good. Could confiscation be a reality if she gets in? what does everyone think.
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Posted August 03 2016 - 12:53 PM

All i know is Trump better win this election cause if this ***** gets in its gonna get so bad for gun owners that it will make the safe act look good. Could confiscation be a reality if she gets in? what does everyone think.


Confiscate what????
Maybe the only upside of losing everything in superstorm Sandy. From Freeport, NY, South of Merrick Road.... elevation 5' maybe?
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#5 Rightsholder

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Posted August 03 2016 - 01:16 PM

She would not call it "confiscation" she would call it, and has been calling it "Common Sense solutions" and a "buy back" program like Australia (i.e. I give you $100 dollars and you give me your AR10).
I think we also need to propose "common sense" immigration solutions let them ponder that for a while...
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Posted August 03 2016 - 01:30 PM

The 2nd Amendment is under fire and if Clinton is elected she is going to use executive actions to make it worse. There is no question about it. Letting her seat young liberal judges to the Court is going to ruin any chance we have of expanding our freedom for a generation. Yet all I hear are more conservative voters willing to sit idly by and let it happen. Keep holding on to whatever grudge you have against Trump and let Hillary walk away with your freedom.
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Posted August 03 2016 - 01:31 PM

She would not call it "confiscation" she would call it, and has been calling it "Common Sense solutions" and a "buy back" program like Australia (i.e. I give you $100 dollars and you give me your AR10).
I think we also need to propose "common sense" immigration solutions let them ponder that for a while...

To hell with SCHRILLERY my "common sense solution" is to ban PANTSUITS
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Posted August 03 2016 - 02:42 PM

All i know is Trump better win this election cause if this ***** gets in its gonna get so bad for gun owners that it will make the safe act look good. Could confiscation be a reality if she gets in? what does everyone think.

Sometimes I wish they would try confiscation. Bring things to a head. They can debate the meaning of the 2nd amendment all they want but the 5th amendment is pretty unambiguous. Take people's personal property for the "good of the people" and you have to pay market price. No more $50/$100 guy buy backs. Not to mention the SHTF.
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Posted August 03 2016 - 02:58 PM

Sometimes I wish they would try confiscation. Bring things to a head. They can debate the meaning of the 2nd amendment all they want but the 5th amendment is pretty unambiguous. Take people's personal property for the "good of the people" and you have to pay market price. No more $50/$100 guy buy backs. Not to mention the SHTF.

ATF confiscated 2 MKS M14 (semi Auto)weld receivers from me years ago and I did not get Jack for them
Both bought from a well respected gunshop in Nassau who just happened to have the records long after the 3 mo. holding period and gave it up to the ATF like a Saigon hooker


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Posted August 03 2016 - 03:33 PM

Hillary said she will not take our guns? Liar! She will use Executive actions to make it very difficult to to pursue the sport. Ammo will become very expensive and restrictions will abound but you can still keep your single shot 22 short..
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Posted August 03 2016 - 04:34 PM

Gun confiscation is a very real possibility. With out a Warrant . Door to door the PD and National Guard went and took all fire arms by FORCE in Boston and Katrina.
You really think a **** like hillbitch would not order the same , in the name of [ insert any stupid thing here]
First all semi auto goes Weapons of war
The Pump and lever guns. Baby or child killers
Last Bolt action [ why ???????, they are high powered sniper guns]
Anything you purchased that went thru a FFL. will be gone. [ lets say in the last 15/20 years]
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Posted August 03 2016 - 05:09 PM

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Posted August 03 2016 - 05:45 PM

If Hillary wins our firearms are history!
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Posted August 03 2016 - 07:02 PM

If Hillary wins our firearms are history!

But first there will be a lot of dead people on both sides, owners and law enforcement officers. Then politicians will crank up the rhetoric to 11 and the nation will descend into a civil war. Those hillbillies ain't gonna go quietly or quickly. The suburbs won't be a cakewalk either. No one will be safe.
I expect that even well guarded politicians won't be safe either. The Posse Comitatus Act will be suspended and then the military will be ordered into the fray against the American people. Many will refuse and then the s#it will really hit the fan...

Edited by Mad Russian, August 03 2016 - 07:03 PM.

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Posted August 03 2016 - 08:17 PM

I have quite a bit of family that lives in the South. They all tell me if the government attempts confiscation, the South will rise up and there will be a civil war. My cousins and their neighbors are prepared for the long haul, most have one year of food stored, hundreds of gallons of water, private water wells, generators and tons of ammo.
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Posted August 03 2016 - 10:52 PM

Sometimes I wish they would try confiscation. Bring things to a head. They can debate the meaning of the 2nd amendment all they want but the 5th amendment is pretty unambiguous. Take people's personal property for the "good of the people" and you have to pay market price. No more $50/$100 guy buy backs. Not to mention the SHTF.


And what IS "market price" in a market where it is illegal to buy or sell the product?... $0.

ATF confiscated 2 MKS M14 (semi Auto)weld receivers from me years ago and I did not get Jack for them
Both bought from a well respected gunshop in Nassau who just happened to have the records long after the 3 mo. holding period and gave it up to the ATF like a Saigon hooker


3 month holding period???? FFL's gotta hold records forever - and they get turned over to ATF when the shop closes... FBI is prohibited from keeping NICS information - but I've said many times that 1) who's gonna stop them? and 2) there's ways around that law... (like ATF holding the records maybe...)
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Posted August 03 2016 - 10:53 PM

They arn't stupid. Kicking in doors and taking weapons is not how they will do it They will first ban the sale and transfer of all guns. Nothing new. As gun owners die off, widows will be turning in already owned stuff. May take a generation or two, but it'll get a high percentage out of the public's hands.

Regarding already held weapons, they will choke off ranges and places to shoot with regulations. They will tax and regulate gun shops and smiths until fewer exist, and prices for services go up. As expenses go up for shooting (taxes, insurance requirements, fewer ranges, fewer ammo retailers and manufacturers), people will be priced out so the pleasure of owning a gun. The gun "culture" will die a slow, licensed, regulated, taxed to pieces death. Thats their plan. Death by a thousand cuts.
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#18 Rightsholder

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Posted August 04 2016 - 10:21 AM

I have quite a bit of family that lives in the South. They all tell me if the government attempts confiscation, the South will rise up and there will be a civil war. My cousins and their neighbors are prepared for the long haul, most have one year of food stored, hundreds of gallons of water, private water wells, generators and tons of ammo.


And tho North has tomahawk cruise missiles, loads of intelligence data, bunker buster bombs, lots of infrared, and ten times more in resources and money. Same odds as with the last civil war.... in fact better (or worse if you are from the south).

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Posted August 04 2016 - 10:24 AM

To hell with SCHRILLERY my "common sense solution" is to ban PANTSUITS


You really wanna see her in a skirt? :suicide :suicide
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#20 Mad Russian

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Posted August 04 2016 - 10:41 AM

And tho North has tomahawk cruise missiles, loads of intelligence data, bunker buster bombs, lots of infrared, and ten times more in resources and money. Same odds as with the last civil war.... in fact better (or worse if you are from the south).

Having them and using them are two different things...





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