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Feds hand over $1 billion to wildlife agencies from gun, equipment sales


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#1 jimmy958

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Posted March 08 2016 - 10:02 AM

"The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service on Monday announced it would make available over $1.1 billion
collected from the long-standing excise tax on the sale of firearms, ammunition, archery and
fishing equipment.

The funds are collected through the Pittman-Robertson Wildlife Restoration and Dingell-Johnson
Sport Fish Restoration programs, which have mandated taxes levied against manufacturers of hunting
and fishing equipment since 1937 and 1950, respectively. This revenue stream can only be used for
the benefit of public recreation, education and conservation.

It is a cyclical arrangement known as the “user-pays” model in which those who buy outdoor and
shooting sports gear help fund future sportsmen and provide earmarked money to local conservation
and safety efforts that would otherwise be unavailable."

Read more: http://www.guns.com/...quipment-sales/

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Posted March 08 2016 - 10:06 AM

I'm sure there's no waste or pork in this program.
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Posted March 08 2016 - 10:10 AM

According to the link:

NEW YORK $25,874,984

I'm certain Governor Cuomo is ready to spend this money wisely.
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Posted March 08 2016 - 10:22 AM

According to the link:

NEW YORK $25,874,984

I'm certain Governor Cuomo is ready to spend this money wisely.


How much is the MTA bailout going to be? What - you can't take a train to a recreational area?
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Posted March 08 2016 - 10:25 AM

More public shooting ranges would increase their revenue.
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Posted March 08 2016 - 10:26 AM

Honestly, from what I've read, Pittman-Robertsman is one of the very few things the federal government gets right. This money is very transparent and there are dozens of sportsmens groups that watch carefully and help steer this money to where it's needed. I'm sure it's less than perfect, but without it, millions of acres of public land, would likely be inaccessible.

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Posted March 08 2016 - 10:30 AM

I have a nice compound bow and plenty of rifles. I've never hunted a day in my life. No matter how benevolent the cause, the correlation between firearms and hunting only serves to distract from the actual intent of the second amendment.
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Posted March 08 2016 - 10:37 AM

According to the link:

NEW YORK $25,874,984

I'm certain Governor Cuomo is ready to spend this money wisely.

10 million for him, 5 million for his buddies, 5 million for the special interest groups that support him, and 5.8 million towards some wasteful BS that he deems necessary.
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Posted March 08 2016 - 10:39 AM

The gun community and industry push the PR funds. How in Gods name you can justify stealing 11% of every sale, funneling the money to the Federal govt, having some flunky behind a desk allocate it, then having the money go to another flunky at the State level, makes no sense to me. More so I believe it to immoral for the Feds to steal my freaking money and then have the nerve to tell me how best it should be spent. SMH
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Posted March 08 2016 - 11:00 AM

Honestly, from what I've read, Pittman-Robertsman is one of the very few things the federal government gets right. This money is very transparent and there are dozens of sportsmens groups that watch carefully and help steer this money to where it's needed. I'm sure it's less than perfect, but without it, millions of acres of public land, would likely be inaccessible.

That's making several assumptions I would think.
First that the costs of running the program is efficient. And we all know the probability of that is pretty slim. But let's say they do a good job of passing it on.
Then we have to assume all the agencies they pass this money onto are efficiently running.
Agencies like the NYS DEC for example.
I find that to be even more unlikely.

Why would millions of wild land be inaccessible?
Like when Obama closed the outdoor memorials with the sequester that needed no one to operate but they needed to hire guards and install barricades to close?
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Posted March 08 2016 - 11:22 AM

Honestly, from what I've read, Pittman-Robertsman is one of the very few things the federal government gets right. This money is very transparent and there are dozens of sportsmens groups that watch carefully and help steer this money to where it's needed. I'm sure it's less than perfect, but without it, millions of acres of public land, would likely be inaccessible.

I remember reading about a debacle during, I think it was the Clinton Administration, where the Fed tried to hijack this to fund, was it Social Security?
Funny how this money has apparently remained nondistributed until the possibility we may have another Clinton in office.
Just sayin' - better keep an eye on that piggy bank. Having Hitlery loose in the White House is like having Winona Ryder lose in your department store, except exponentially less sexy.
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Posted March 08 2016 - 11:23 AM

Honestly, from what I've read, Pittman-Robertsman is one of the very few things the federal government gets right. This money is very transparent and there are dozens of sportsmens groups that watch carefully and help steer this money to where it's needed. I'm sure it's less than perfect, but without it, millions of acres of public land, would likely be inaccessible.

It actually is. That and Wallop- Breaux do a lot of good in NYS

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Posted March 08 2016 - 11:45 AM

10 million for him, 5 million for his buddies, 5 million for the special interest groups that support him, and 5.8 million towards some wasteful BS that he deems necessary.


And 17 million more in unfounded commitments. Way to go sportsmen, we're in debt because of you. /sarc off.

Edited by The Idiocracy, March 08 2016 - 11:46 AM.


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Posted March 08 2016 - 11:50 AM

That's making several assumptions I would think.
First that the costs of running the program is efficient. And we all know the probability of that is pretty slim. But let's say they do a good job of passing it on.
Then we have to assume all the agencies they pass this money onto are efficiently running.
Agencies like the NYS DEC for example.
I find that to be even more unlikely.

Why would millions of wild land be inaccessible?
Like when Obama closed the outdoor memorials with the sequester that needed no one to operate but they needed to hire guards and install barricades to close?

Don't get me wrong. I'd never suggest that any government program was completely efficient. But this money is kept separate and visible which makes typical federal government waste, fraud and abuse much less of a concern. It doesn't just get dumped into a general fund even when it gets down to the state level.

As for access, no barricades are necessary, they use the land itself. The government says "don't worry, we're only selling off 1/3 of this public land to private owners." Then they sell the 1/3 that encircles the, still public, but completely inaccessible, 2/3 in the middle that wasn't sold. Huge fights out west over this type of situation. This money being available, makes any land sales much less necessary.

Again, I'm not suggesting that it's perfect. But if all our taxes were handled like this, we would be far better off.

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Posted March 08 2016 - 12:43 PM

to get that public range I believe we need to contact our elected officials and probably the dec to petition for some of the $$, on the island of no and nimby it may be tough to find a location and well we know how well our elected officials represent us

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Posted March 08 2016 - 12:58 PM

Don't get me wrong. I'd never suggest that any government program was completely efficient. But this money is kept separate and visible which makes typical federal government waste, fraud and abuse much less of a concern. It doesn't just get dumped into a general fund even when it gets down to the state level.

As for access, no barricades are necessary, they use the land itself. The government says "don't worry, we're only selling off 1/3 of this public land to private owners." Then they sell the 1/3 that encircles the, still public, but completely inaccessible, 2/3 in the middle that wasn't sold. Huge fights out west over this type of situation. This money being available, makes any land sales much less necessary.

Again, I'm not suggesting that it's perfect. But if all our taxes were handled like this, we would be far better off.

Might be. My trust for government is way below that of eating gas station sushi.
I'd trust my college age daughter drinking alone with Bill Cosby or interning with Bill Clinton more.

In another thread someone asked about the Ponquogue bridge in Shinnecock.
That reminded me of the absurdity and waste of most government programs.
For years divers and fisherman went there.
No fees. No amenities and it was nice.
Then the town got funding from the feds for wet land conservation.
They used the money to put in a parking lot and a boat ramp.
Then they charged a fee to use it.
This is all true.
First, how does anyone justify that as wetland conservation?
Second, now we have to pay for what was free and in theory we paid for it already with our taxes.
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Posted March 08 2016 - 03:25 PM

What liberal pocket is this money going to end up in?




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