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Proposed law to stop terror suspects from buying guns in U.S. faces NRA, GOP opposition


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#1 Paté

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Posted November 17 2015 - 09:30 PM

Proposed law to stop terror suspects from buying guns in U.S. faces NRA, GOP opposition

The NRA — and their gun-loving Republican cohorts — are refusing once more to stop terrorists intent on getting armed in the USA.

A legal loophole allows suspected terrorists on the government’s “No Fly List” to legally buy guns, but a bill to fix that will likely wither on the vine. The federal “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act,” even in the wake of last week’s terrorist killing of 129 people in Paris, remains a longshot due to its rabid pro-gun opponents.

“Anything which they feel restricts the use or the ability to retain a gun they're opposed to,” bill co-sponsor Rep. Peter King (R-L.I.) told the Daily News.

“It's sort of a knee-jerk reaction,” he said Tuesday. “The National Rifle Association is strongly opposed to it and the fact is we have only a handful of Republican co-sponsors.”

The legislation was initially proposed in 2007 by the Bush administration, with King formally introducing the bill in Congress two years later.

Currently, some known or suspected terrorists are prohibited from boarding airplanes by the government’s “No Fly List” — but all are allowed to buy assault rifles and other weapons.


The Government Accountability Office’s report found that 91% of all suspected terrorists who tried to buy guns in America walked away with the weapon they wanted between 2004 and 2014.

While the bill remained a non-starter, more than 2,000 suspects on the FBI’s Terrorist Watchlist bought weapons in the U.S. over the last 11 years, according to the federal Government Accountability Office.

The GAO reported that 91% of all suspected terrorists who tried to buy guns in America walked away with the weapon they wanted over the time period, with just 190 rejected despite their ominous histories.

In 2013-14, the number of successful buyers rose to 94% — with 455 suspects buying weapons and just 30 denied as allowed under current laws.

“It is hard to believe that anyone could defend that someone on the Terrorist Watchlist should get a gun, no questions asked,” said Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.). “I can’t believe that our Republican colleagues would block this now.”

Schumer predicted there was a “good chance” that his Republican Senate colleagues will have “no choice to but to pass it, despite NRA opposition ... We’re going to get it to the floor and my guess is it’ll pass.”

Bullet holes are seen in the terrace windows of one of the cafe’s victimized in last week’s terrorist attacks in Paris. The GAO report has led to fears that terror suspects here could perpetrate a similar attack.
Yet Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) pleaded ignorance about the bill unveiled nine months ago — as did a number of other GOP senators who declined to offer an opinion.

“I’m not particularly familiar with the legislation,” McConnell insisted.

The NRA did not respond to a Tuesday request for comment, but opposed the 2009 version of the proposed law on grounds that law-abiding Americans wrongly placed on the list would lose their Second Amendment rights.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) called the proposed law a “no-brainer” in the wake of the latest terrorist carnage by ISIS killers.

“Rep. King and I have a bill and that's what we're going to try to get scheduled,” she said. “If there's ever a time, this is it.”

Feinstein planned to send a note to Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley asking the Iowa Republican to start moving the process forward.

King, after six years of disappointment, sounded far less optimistic about the bill's chances.

“I think that right now it'd be tough to get through,” he told the Daily News. “I strongly support it. But no, it's not going to move right now.”

King said there's “just too much opposition” from pro-gun GOP House members, even though the proposal is backed by the White House.

There are roughly 700,000 names on the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Database — commonly known as the Terrorist Watchlist.

It includes the names of both domestic and international suspects identified through intelligence and law enforcement investigation.

Not a single gun buyer on the list was turned away because they posed a threat to the American populace as a potential terrorist.

The reasons for their rejections included “felony conviction, under indictment, adjudicated mental health, misdemeanor crime of domestic violence conviction, fugitive from justice and controlled substance abuse,” said the GAO in its summary.

Schumer and Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) remained upbeat about their prospects.

“It’s certainly something that should be done,” Reid said.

But just two years ago, the Senate ignored the tearful gun control appeals of Newtown, Conn., families whose kids were murdered inside the Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Their call for a federal ban on assault weapons collapsed in March 2013, only three months after the slaughter of 20 students and six staffers.

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Posted November 17 2015 - 09:34 PM

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If they're not legal enough to buy a gun with all our current laws then they shouldn't be here to begin with.
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Posted November 17 2015 - 09:40 PM

Who makes up the majority on the no- fly list? Is it muzzie terrorists or regular American people who mouthed off at a TSA agent?

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Posted November 17 2015 - 09:41 PM

If they're not legal enough to buy a gun with all our current laws then they shouldn't be here to begin with.

Huh?
That's crazy talk again.
Why should we not allow suspected terrorists to stay in our country?
You must be a racist and an Islamaphobe.

BTW.
Have they said what gun store in Belgium or France the terrorists legally bought their real AK 47s and grenades?

I will admit this;
No one needs a grenade to hunt a deeeahhh

Edited by Aquabach, November 17 2015 - 09:43 PM.

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Posted November 17 2015 - 09:43 PM

The bill sounds like it should work as described. The problem is they always sneak in all kinds of BS to further their agenda of disarming all US citizens.
It sounds too simple, what else is in this bill that they are hiding?

What are the minimum criteria for getting on the terrorist watch list? If this is the same bill that Peter King was proposing, the AG had sole discretion in adding anyone to the list and there was restrictions, requirements and no recourse. Basically every member of the TEA Party would be added to the list immediately because there was no oversight built in.
If i was on the FBI terrorist watch list, getting a gun would be the least of my worries. Getting off the list would be paramount.
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Posted November 17 2015 - 09:46 PM

The bill sounds like it should work as described. The problem is they always sneak in all kinds of BS to further their agenda of disarming all US citizens.
It sounds too simple, what else is in this bill that they are hiding?

What are the minimum criteria for getting on the terrorist watch list? If this is the same bill that Peter King was proposing, the AG had sole discretion in adding anyone to the list and there was restrictions, requirements and no recourse. Basically every member of the TEA Party would be added to the list immediately because there was no oversight built in.
If i was on the FBI terrorist watch list, getting a gun would be the least of my worries. Getting off the list would be paramount.

The government would never target citizens simply because of their political beliefs.
Just ask Lois Lerner.
Well, you can ask but she'll plead the 5th.
Funny how liberals love that amendment which I'm sure was never written so government employees could abuse their power and get away with it.
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Posted November 17 2015 - 09:47 PM

The left will simply declare all law abiding citizens terrorists.
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Posted November 17 2015 - 09:48 PM

I will admit this;
No one needs a grenade to hunt a deeeahhh

Thanks , now I have to explain to my wife why I can't stop laughing.
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Posted November 17 2015 - 09:50 PM

I have no earthly idea how someone gets on the list in the first place. Now I gotta do more research. And how would I know I'm on the list if I were on it? How do I get off if put on by mistake.

And, of course, if I were going to commit a terrorist act, I hardly think a "no" at the LGS would keep me from getting a gun. Oh no, wait...of course it would. I mean how could I possible think about about buying a gun illegally? Oh yeah, sure, committing mass murder, shooting up a concert, football game, school, church...those would be no problem, but buying a gun illegally, never. I mean its the law, no?
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Posted November 17 2015 - 09:53 PM

The problem is ..... there isn't clear criteria to get on a "no fly list" ... but especially none to get off the list.... so they link a nearly arbitrary list to the denial of the 2a right....why don't they deny those on a no fly list to stop going to mosk...or stop free association or the ability to use a computer.... nonsense don't buy any of this BS..... if they are a terrorist ..LOCK THEM UP ....
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Posted November 17 2015 - 09:54 PM

How about its called due process boys and girls? Terror watch list means the government thinks you're up to no good, but you haven't done anything or they can't prove it.
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Posted November 17 2015 - 09:55 PM

And ...not for nothing but the sponsor of that load of BS is Pete King......ef him too.
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Posted November 17 2015 - 09:56 PM

If this is the King (and Rice I think) bill, there was no criteria. The AG could add anyone he/she wanted, no questions asked and no legal recourse to get off it. A reporter asked King if that was too much unrestricted power and he said something like The AG would never use it for political reasons.

That is what they thought before they weaponized the IRS too.
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Posted November 17 2015 - 10:01 PM

The Government Accountability Office’s report found that 91% of all suspected terrorists who tried to buy guns in America walked away with the weapon they wanted between 2004 and 2014
And a step further .... the government is giving stats on it's own agenda... .... lets recall that the obama admin labeled some veterans and constitutionalists as terrorists..... WTF is going on in this country.
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Posted November 17 2015 - 10:01 PM

I have no earthly idea how someone gets on the list in the first place. Now I gotta do more research. And how would I know I'm on the list if I were on it? How do I get off if put on by mistake.

And, of course, if I were going to commit a terrorist act, I hardly think a "no" at the LGS would keep me from getting a gun. Oh no, wait...of course it would. I mean how could I possible think about about buying a gun illegally? Oh yeah, sure, committing mass murder, shooting up a concert, football game, school, church...those would be no problem, but buying a gun illegally, never. I mean its the law, no?

http://www.no-fly-list.com

I'm not on it ...... Yet.
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Posted November 17 2015 - 10:02 PM

How about its called due process boys and girls? Terror watch list means the government thinks you're up to no good, but you haven't done anything or they can't prove it.

It's amazing how people can be deemed "maybe guilty" enough to deny rights but not be charged.
How do they get away with this crap?
If you're not a citizen it's one thing. the deport them out of the country on suspicion. that should be sufficient but denying rights to citizens without due process is just wrong. Tyranny is doing well in this country already.

If this is the King (and Rice I think) bill, there was no criteria. The AG could add anyone he/she wanted, no questions asked and no legal recourse to get off it. A reporter asked King if that was too much unrestricted power and he said something like The AG would never use it for political reasons.

That is what they thought before they weaponized the IRS too.

King is a POS. But you knew that so I'm being redundant.
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Posted November 17 2015 - 10:06 PM

Okay, did five minutes worth of research and this whole thing is bs...the lists and the proposed law.

Here's two good sites:

https://en.wikipedia...iki/No_Fly_List

http://www.huffingto..._n_5617599.html

And to think I used to be a progressive.
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Posted November 17 2015 - 10:13 PM

Never let a good crisis go to waste. It's for the giraffes!

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Posted November 17 2015 - 10:14 PM

http://www.no-fly-list.com

I'm not on it ...... Yet.


Is this a real site? I mean there is a site...but from a couple of minutes of research it doesn't seem to be legit. It ain't a US gov site. So who's is it?

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Posted November 17 2015 - 10:15 PM

It took me 4 months of phone calls, emails and letters to get my name off that damn list back in 2004/2005. This was while I was flying every other week for work. At least 20 minutes of delays every time I checked in. And I know 2 other people that had similar situations. I think they just added everyone's name to it and waited for them to complain. That list is junk. Or they had me confused with some Irish muslim? I'm sure there are plenty of those.

This obsession with believing that the federal government is capable of keeping anyone safe is disturbing.

Edited by brirodg, November 17 2015 - 10:16 PM.

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