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Maryland Stockpiles Pistol Brass: To What End?

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#1 357Guy

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Posted March 06 2015 - 10:04 PM

http://www.shotgunne...e-pistol-brass/

Jeff Cooper said that casings are for sausages, cases are for ammunition, so it’s always annoying to read a news account that talks about “shell casings” or worse, “bullet casings.” But let’s choke down our distaste and contemplate the state of Maryland’s registry of fired pistol brass. For 15 years, every new pistol sold in the state has had to come with a fired case that is submitted to the state for reference. The Annapolis Capital-Gazette reports the state is now sitting on 315,000 cases, and is running out of warehouse space to store them.
The program was touted with the impressive name “ballistic fingerprinting,” and was confidently predicted to solve vast numbers of crimes. The gun industry and gun owners pointed out the many obvious flaws in the idea, but Maryland is one of those states where kicking the gun owner around is always good politics, so it was enacted in 2000.
The results? Exactly as predicted by our side. Actually, it has probably been a bit worse than predicted by our side. The program has connected 26 cases to guns under investigation, meaning the program yielded less than two matches a year
Maryland had planned to use a fancy imaging machine to speed comparison of cases, but, as the Capital-Gazette reported, that didn’t work out.
“But Maryland’s imaging software didn’t work. Officials were sold a machine that didn’t ‘function as designed,’ according to a state police report on the project released in September.
“Daniel Katz, the state police forensic sciences director, said ‘It wasn’t as accurate as we needed it to be.’
“He said he couldn’t go into details on why the imaging software didn’t work as intended, but the machine stopped functioning in April 2007. The division scrapped the imaging database—archiving what it had—and canceled that portion of the program in 2008.
The plan was to find another machine, but the funding wasn’t there, Katz said.”
Some members of the state legislature are suggesting Maryland follow the example of New York, which scrapped its “ballistic fingerprinting” program in 2012, with no apparent negative effect on crime solving.
Katz opposed killing the program, saying, “When casings are available for forensic analysis, they are an essential piece of evidence in these types of prosecutions.” Repealing the program “would hinder our ability to identify shell casings found at crime scenes and match them to suspects.”
Sounds like it would hinder that less than twice a year, maybe, and it would let forensic technicians do some forensics instead of building a vast, pointless catalog of pistol brass.
But as former President Ronald Reagan memorably put it, “The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a government program.”

Edited by 357Guy, March 06 2015 - 10:05 PM.


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Posted March 06 2015 - 10:09 PM

Yet another failed government program.

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Posted March 06 2015 - 10:11 PM

Yet another failed government program.

I'm shocked!
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Posted March 06 2015 - 10:13 PM

315,000.... Pffffffftttt! McFly has that in his bathroom!
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Posted March 06 2015 - 10:15 PM

315,000.... Pffffffftttt! McFly has that in his bathroom!

LOL...I guess its like what they refer to as a "stockpile" of weapons.

Edited by 357Guy, March 06 2015 - 10:16 PM.

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Posted March 06 2015 - 10:42 PM

None of these "laws" whether in Maryland with a "shell casing" law or New York's un-Safe Act has ANYTHING to do with crime prevention. It has everything to do with control. If it had to do with crime prevention these politicians would be praising themselves for the great jobs they did reducing the murder rate in the US from 14.5 / 100K population in 1990 to 3.3 /100k in 2013 while the number of guns increased drastically during this time.

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Posted March 06 2015 - 10:50 PM

Correction. The above data is NY murder rates. See http://www.fbi.gov/a...eapons_2013.xls for US 2013 data

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Posted March 06 2015 - 11:11 PM

http://www.shotgunne...e-pistol-brass/

Jeff Cooper said that casings are for sausages, cases are for ammunition, so it’s always annoying to read a news account that talks about “shell casings” or worse, “bullet casings.” But let’s choke down our distaste and contemplate the state of Maryland’s registry of fired pistol brass. For 15 years, every new pistol sold in the state has had to come with a fired case that is submitted to the state for reference. The Annapolis Capital-Gazette reports the state is now sitting on 315,000 cases, and is running out of warehouse space to store them.
The program was touted with the impressive name “ballistic fingerprinting,” and was confidently predicted to solve vast numbers of crimes. The gun industry and gun owners pointed out the many obvious flaws in the idea, but Maryland is one of those states where kicking the gun owner around is always good politics, so it was enacted in 2000.
The results? Exactly as predicted by our side. Actually, it has probably been a bit worse than predicted by our side. The program has connected 26 cases to guns under investigation, meaning the program yielded less than two matches a year
Maryland had planned to use a fancy imaging machine to speed comparison of cases, but, as the Capital-Gazette reported, that didn’t work out.
“But Maryland’s imaging software didn’t work. Officials were sold a machine that didn’t ‘function as designed,’ according to a state police report on the project released in September.
“Daniel Katz, the state police forensic sciences director, said ‘It wasn’t as accurate as we needed it to be.’
“He said he couldn’t go into details on why the imaging software didn’t work as intended, but the machine stopped functioning in April 2007. The division scrapped the imaging database—archiving what it had—and canceled that portion of the program in 2008.
The plan was to find another machine, but the funding wasn’t there, Katz said.”
Some members of the state legislature are suggesting Maryland follow the example of New York, which scrapped its “ballistic fingerprinting” program in 2012, with no apparent negative effect on crime solving.
Katz opposed killing the program, saying, “When casings are available for forensic analysis, they are an essential piece of evidence in these types of prosecutions.” Repealing the program “would hinder our ability to identify shell casings found at crime scenes and match them to suspects.”
Sounds like it would hinder that less than twice a year, maybe, and it would let forensic technicians do some forensics instead of building a vast, pointless catalog of pistol brass.
But as former President Ronald Reagan memorably put it, “The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a government program.”

Um 315,000 shell cases don't need a warehouse.
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Posted March 06 2015 - 11:16 PM

Um 315,000 shell cases don't need a warehouse.

Um...I didn't write the article...maybe they've got reeeaallly small warehouses in Maryland.

Seriously...if you check the link they claim to have them in individual envelopes including the associated documentation, with 150 envelopes per box...everything about this is absurd, even how they store them.

Edited by 357Guy, March 06 2015 - 11:27 PM.


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Posted March 06 2015 - 11:49 PM

LOL... and the 2 hits a year ....I'd like a little more info on those as well.... Like.. how many of those hits resulted in solved crimes or even arrests ..... Hay POLITICIANS ...law abiding citizens don't commit crimes ...even if they own guns ...get it through your thick skull already..
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Posted March 07 2015 - 02:10 AM

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Posted March 07 2015 - 10:07 AM

And how much is it to store all that crap?





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