Are the brakes pinned on? Are their NY compliant models or are they all the same? Anything I should look at when purchasing one? Do the optics on those models remove from the rail? I read the optic is glued into the polymer mount.
No they aren't pinned. But there is no pistol grip (its considered a thumbhole) so the threaded barrel is your only evil feature. FS2000's are 100% NY compliant out of the box.
Agreed. If you buy one out-of-state, make sure the magazine capacity does not exceed 10 rounds (in states without AWBs, the FS will probably be sold with a high-cap mag).
No they aren't pinned. But there is no pistol grip (its considered a thumbhole) so the threaded barrel is your only evil feature. FS2000's are 100% NY compliant out of the box.
Sydney
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Theres 2 models. One with the optic and one without. The one with the fixed optic CAN NOT be taken off. Just get the flat top version. They're a lot cheaper anyway.
Theres 2 models. One with the optic and one without. The one with the fixed optic CAN NOT be taken off. Just get the flat top version. They're a lot cheaper anyway.
The one I'm looking at has the optic. Didn't realize they CAN'T be removed. That changes things
It seems to me that every time a cop is shot its big news. A death could be front page news for a week. Why? Why have we put the police on pedestals? These are just people who are doing their jobs. Isn't getting shot at part of the job description?
It may not sound it, but I did like the gun. It's a nice, compact, fun little shooter but the thickness just bugged me. It handled "clunky" for me. I never really felt like the rifle was doing more than resting on top of my support hand whereas I have great positive control of the AR. And if you want another fore end/tri rail thingy you're gonna shell out more $$ after dropping between $1500(used) to $2000 new. If you drop 700-1000 on an AR you'll still have plenty out of your FS2000 budget to accessorize. The trigger is not the smoothest; it's creepy which is par for the couse for most bullpups anyways. I put 700-800 rounds through it but the trigger never really smoothed out for me like the internet promised.
No last round bolt hold open. Mags don't drop free as there's a gasket that surrounds the mag in the well. The mag change regimen is a new manual of arms to get used to. The mag change is a sequential use-strong-hand-to-rip-mag-out then go for your next mag and push it home. The AR is a simple button push/drop free while simultaneously moving for your new mag. The "BUIS" the gun comes with were a joke for something I dropped nearly 2K on. I added a set of Troy BUIS.
On the plus side, I'm a dedicated lefty. The front ejection was awesome. It's compact, stores easy and takes stadard AR mags. You'll need to drop some coin on preban GI contract 30s if you don't already have any. It won't take 20s or any other brand mag. Don't make the mistake of putting a 20 rounder in like a friend did after I told him not to and turned my back. You'll need to take the gun apart to get it out(easy to do though). It won't take P-Mags(that you had blocked to 10) or E-mags. The gasket is patterned for GI contract mags only.
The FS2000 Standard(with the 1.5x optic) absolutely disassembles. You can pop the cover off but the optic is glued to the polymer rail. But I know it can be removed. But the Standard rail is lower than the Tactical FS 2000 so it'll make for a poor sight picture. I'd avoid it and get the Tactical model.
If you're on the fence I'd say get an AR and save the 300-1000 bucks for training, ammo or a Aimpoint. So for me, I dropped 2K on the gun when it first came out. I know they're cheaper now. Add the $240 for the Troy BUIS, more if you want to add a new forend. I like shooting my AR more so I let the FS go to a good home and put the 1600 bucks I got for it on a Remington 700 Mil-Spec 5R and still had 450 left over for accessories.
It seems to me that every time a cop is shot its big news. A death could be front page news for a week. Why? Why have we put the police on pedestals? These are just people who are doing their jobs. Isn't getting shot at part of the job description?
I didn't like the built in optic, so I bought the tactical model and put an EO tech on it. The sight picture is perfect. I love shooting that rifle. You can easily shoot it one handed if you pull the rifle into your shoulder. I also have an MSAR, and I like shooting the FS 2000 much better since the brass ejects out the front. The MSAR / AUG's eject the brass very close to your face, and I find it very distracting.
I very rarely drop magazines free (especially at Calverton), so no being able to drop free with the FS 2000 is not a big deal to me. I don't recomend droping expensive preban mags in the sand. Since I am very familiar with AR's, the FS2000 wouldn't be my SHTF gun, but it is one that I go to when I feel like doing something different. The gun is a lot of fun.
Thanks sherm for taking the time to answer me. I have a bunch of AR's, I'm just looking for a new toy that takes the same mags.
That's pretty much the same reason I had. If you're gonna drop 2k for new toy-ish reasons and were I to do it agin, I'd get a SCAR.
It seems to me that every time a cop is shot its big news. A death could be front page news for a week. Why? Why have we put the police on pedestals? These are just people who are doing their jobs. Isn't getting shot at part of the job description?
Theres 2 models. One with the optic and one without. The one with the fixed optic CAN NOT be taken off. Just get the flat top version. They're a lot cheaper anyway.
If I am only allowed to keep one rifle, this would be the one.
It may not sound it, but I did like the gun. It's a nice, compact, fun little shooter but the thickness just bugged me. It handled "clunky" for me. I never really felt like the rifle was doing more than resting on top of my support hand whereas I have great positive control of the AR. And if you want another fore end/tri rail thingy you're gonna shell out more $$ after dropping between $1500(used) to $2000 new. If you drop 700-1000 on an AR you'll still have plenty out of your FS2000 budget to accessorize. The trigger is not the smoothest; it's creepy which is par for the couse for most bullpups anyways. I put 700-800 rounds through it but the trigger never really smoothed out for me like the internet promised.
No last round bolt hold open. Mags don't drop free as there's a gasket that surrounds the mag in the well. The mag change regimen is a new manual of arms to get used to. The mag change is a sequential use-strong-hand-to-rip-mag-out then go for your next mag and push it home. The AR is a simple button push/drop free while simultaneously moving for your new mag. The "BUIS" the gun comes with were a joke for something I dropped nearly 2K on. I added a set of Troy BUIS.
On the plus side, I'm a dedicated lefty. The front ejection was awesome. It's compact, stores easy and takes stadard AR mags. You'll need to drop some coin on preban GI contract 30s if you don't already have any. It won't take 20s or any other brand mag. Don't make the mistake of putting a 20 rounder in like a friend did after I told him not to and turned my back. You'll need to take the gun apart to get it out(easy to do though). It won't take P-Mags(that you had blocked to 10) or E-mags. The gasket is patterned for GI contract mags only.
If you're on the fence I'd say get an AR and save the 300-1000 bucks for training, ammo or a Aimpoint. So for me, I dropped 2K on the gun when it first came out. I know they're cheaper now. Add the $240 for the Troy BUIS, more if you want to add a new forend. I like shooting my AR more so I let the FS go to a good home and put the 1600 bucks I got for it on a Remington 700 Mil-Spec 5R and still had 450 left over for accessories.
I also had an FS2000 and sold it. (I had the one without the optic.) I'm also a lefty, and it's a great gun for us because of the ejection. It's also a good 'fun' gun that gets a lot of attention at the range and is completely NY-legal. But I got rid of mine for the following (mostly redundant) reasons:
1) It was picky with magazines. I have a nice stable of 30-round prebans, but only half of them would work well. If the feed lips were even slightly bent or misaligned, I'd get FTFs. One magazine simply got stuck for reasons I could not determine--visual inspection did not reveal any gross flaws, and the mag in question functions flawlessly in ARs. As Sherm mentioned, the release takes some getting used to.
2) I could not find an optic that 'fit' the flat top model. I tried EOTechs with and without the magnifier, the Leupold CQ/T and an ACOG. I wasn't comfortable with any of them, although the EOTech wasn't a terrible fit. The BUIS are indeed a joke. The sight lines of the FS2000 just didn't work for me.
3) Price/value vs. an AR. There are virtually no accessories for the FS2000. The FS tri-rail is wonderful, but it took years for FS to bring it to the US and it was absurdly difficult to find and super-expensive. It does improve the FS2000 greatly. But by that time I'd dropped $2000 getting a nicely set-up rifle with a forward rail. That money could've bought a lot more in terms on an AR (and I recovered 80% of it in the sale, so I was not unhappy).
4) The piston in my FS2000 fouled in epic fashion. And that was shooting nearly 100% Lake City XM193. I didn't see any evidence in the FS forums or from other owners that indicated that was a common problem, so it might have been specific to mine.
5) The trigger. I'll say no more. I didn't expect a match trigger, but it was heavy--a looooong 12 lb. pull--and plasticky. As with Sherm's, mine did not improve over time. But hell, at least it was consistently heavy and plasticky.
It wasn't a bad shooter, but it didn't have a 'natural' feel. Very much an acquired taste. Spend that money on an AR, some accessories and a quality optic and you'll be 10X happier. And probably have a few hundred $$$ left to buy ammo.
Mike
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -Wendell Phillips, abolitionist, 1853
4) The piston in my FS2000 fouled in epic fashion. And that was shooting nearly 100% Lake City XM193. I didn't see any evidence in the FS forums or from other owners that indicated that was a common problem, so it might have been specific to mine.
Yeah, that too. Truthfully with all the hubbub about clean shootin' piston guns I really never cleaned it until around 400 rounds. The gas plug was CEMENTED in place and it took me a while to pry it out. The piston was dirty as hell. You need a tool as well for even normal takedown and cleaning.
It seems to me that every time a cop is shot its big news. A death could be front page news for a week. Why? Why have we put the police on pedestals? These are just people who are doing their jobs. Isn't getting shot at part of the job description?
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