If he brings his ID, he shouldn't have a problem. He should have even less of a problem if he has the hard card ID rather than the blue piece of paper with his name, tax number, and passport photo.
I went into a shop once while I was in the academy, and used my hard academy ID in lieu of a pistol permit to handle a 1911.
In short, he should be fine if anyone asks. It's not as concrete as a shield and actual ID card, but it's better than nothing.
I don't think so. They actually have to give up their pistol license when they join. I watched a whole group of SCPD recruits turn in their pistol licenses when I was out at Yaphank two weeks ago.
Pat
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I don't believe so. A license is needed, which may change if he's a PO. And being he's a cadet, I'd err WAY on the side of caution and have him wait. Maybe some of the more knowledgeable folks will step up here.
Joe
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I don't believe so. A license is needed, which may change if he's a PO. And being he's a cadet, I'd err WAY on the side of caution and have him wait. Maybe some of the more knowledgeable folks will step up here.
The ID is the permit/license, that's why you hand the civilian one in.
I don't think so. They actually have to give up their pistol license when they join. I watched a whole group of SCPD recruits turn in their pistol licenses when I was out at Yaphank two weeks ago.
Really,I read Suffolk was'nt having a class,no new hires for a while.
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Cadets=No way, no how, unless they have their own pistol license. Recruits= No good either, even though they are technically sworn LEO's, recruit ID's are insufficient for either firearms purchase or handling. In fact, you must surrender your own firearms for storage while you are in the academy, and give up your pistol license.
Cadets=No way, no how, unless they have their own pistol license. Recruits= No good either, even though they are technically sworn LEO's, recruit ID's are insufficient for either firearms purchase or handling. In fact, you must surrender your own firearms for storage while you are in the academy, and give up your pistol license.
Really,I read Suffolk was'nt having a class,no new hires for a while.
It seems they are. The big boss man came down to the lobby and told them how lucky they are to be chosen. He said 4000 took the test and 70 got called.
Pat
"Just stay on your side of the imaginary line and no one will get hurt"
Mmmmmmmmmm great question, my kid was just sworn in as a probationary police officer, just started her class in the city. They have been told they are(in rank) the lowest of low, and frankly have so many things they Can NOT do, I would be shocked to know they can handle a pistol before NYPD training and passing NYPD testing. I would love to be able to give her some trigger time, but the last thing i would do would be to put all her efforts to risk. (trust me whe way i hear it, none at the class would even ask if it was safe to do, everyone is just trying to graduate).
Folks: If the person is in the police academy, regardless of county or city, in NYS, s/he was required to suspend his/her handgun licenses, then turn in, for storage, all owned handguns. S/he may not handle a handgun, unless and until s/he becomes a sworn LEO or leaves the academy. If s/he leaves the academy, the handgun license is reinstated and all hardware is returned. If the person graduates and is sworn in, the license is replaced, by the badge, after which all hardware is returned. Gary
Interesting question. NYPD does NOT want those in the academy handling any firearms - that's clear, as they make you surrender any permits and all firearms. If you want to play it on the safe side, no way. Now...in the eyes of NY state penal code.... There is no provison for police recruits to handle handguns. Individual must have a license, or be a police officer. That being said, I believe those attending academy are sworn in at the start of academy, and technically have arrest powers, etc. right away. During nypd academy, I believe they are referred to as "ppo" - probationary police officer. I believe probabtion lasts for 2 years, and includes academy time. If they do meet the nys definition of police officer, then it seems that they are exempt from the penal code statutes. Whether they can purchase on the academy ID has no bearing on their exempt status. On the other other hand, I can't image they have any kind of POST certification until academy is almost over. I bet this would be a tricky scenario to try, and it may simply not be adequately defined by the law. Department policy, of course, is clear. IANAL.
Edit to add: Gary, youre good at this sort of stuff. Here's a question for thought.... If it is true that they cannot handle a firearm until leaving/graduating academy, then how do they legally practice all those hours prior to certification? Another reason I'm compelled to believe they are technically POs from day one, and are exempt from the section 165 statutes. Certainly, they are good to go after gun and shield day, but prior to leaving academy at graduation. Or else, as I mentioned, this is an untried gray area that has simply never come up, and the PD does whatever they want. Not like anyone will call the cops .
My kid's in the NYPD class now. Walking on eggshells every second of the day. I asked her if she would ask to make it clear if she could practice with a pistol. Her reply was "dad, the last thing I want to do is anything that would put my job at risk,even asking could bringme more attention than I want". PS range time is the last thing on her mind now. She just about has the time to eat, do her 4 hrs. of homework, and get back on the train. PPS. gym time is the priority now. upper body and running are her week points.just needs to make the time. even the guys in her squad, just out of the service are getting heat.
My kid's in the NYPD class now. Walking on eggshells every second of the day. I asked her if she would ask to make it clear if she could practice with a pistol. Her reply was "dad, the last thing I want to do is anything that would put my job at risk,even asking could bringme more attention than I want". PS range time is the last thing on her mind now. She just about has the time to eat, do her 4 hrs. of homework, and get back on the train. PPS. gym time is the priority now. upper body and running are her week points.just needs to make the time. even the guys in her squad, just out of the service are getting heat.
Is this the class that started about two week ago? I've got a friend in that class also. I think the first few months are mainly filled with PT and Penal Law.
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You can argue the finer points of legality- which I agree with you, and I believe I pointed out, that while the penal law allows for it, the specific agency does not. If you feel strongly enough to want to do it, just have her ask her instructor. I think you'll find that the answers are pretty much the same as the one I've given.
Nobody fails the pistol quals. The score needed to pass can be done by just about every CCW holder in LI. The hardest part is the gorilla triggers they put on.
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