Quoted from bobtorre

wait, why the juviliation... Did I miss something... I was already doing this with my compadres... what changed... ?... That was always in the rule book...  It was always a known fact... I don't mean this in any sarcastic manner, I just re-read the posting like 10 times, and I know that I am supposed to be happy, I am just not sure about what.

Nope, not always. I got my license in 1988. At the time you could make the incidental stops. Then they changed the rule I believe sometime around 2002 or so eliminating the provision for stopping to and from the range. It's back again. The changes are the reason you sign for the handbook when you renew your license. You can't plead ignorance.

I would like to see conformation of these changes.

Quoted from CJ

I would like to see conformation of these changes.

I would like to see this added to the Nassau handbook.

Quoted from 2edgesword

Nope, not always. I got my license in 1988. At the time you could make the incidental stops. Then they changed the rule I believe sometime around 2002 or so eliminating the provision for stopping to and from the range. It's back again. The changes are the reason you sign for the handbook when you renew your license. You can't plead ignorance.

I mean I got my license after 2002.  I read the booklet several times and talked to other people and it was clear that you were allowed to stop for refreshments on your way to the range... but you are saying that after 2002 that was no longer acceptable ... oh boy...I am in suffolk is this something perhaps related to nassau only?  

wow... I am more surprised that this was taken away at some point in the past than the fact we got it back.... I was honestly oblivious... totally.

Quoted from CJ

Today I called a buddy who has a Suffolk license to tell him what I read here this morning. My friend being the type of guy who plays by the rules all of the time, called Yaphank to verify what I told him. They said they had "no idea what he was talking about."

Does someone have a link I can send him to VERIFY this new revision. He does not want to lose his license because "CJ" said it was OK.

Have your friend call (631) 852-6118, which is the Handgun Licensing Division. This change was instituted just this morning but effective 1/20.
Gary

Quoted from Gary_Hungerford

Folks:
   Your thoughts have been heard and we now have even better language, hot off the press. Yes, you can stop, for gas, restaurant meals, etc. Just keep the hardware concealed. Your country federation, at work, as usual.
Gary

(As of 1/20/10)
Sportsman:
(Note) For the purpose of target shooting and hunting, licensees are authorized to meet for the purpose of car pooling or to stop only for nonalcoholic refreshments and/or a meal on the way to and from their shooting destination. You are authorized to do this only during the period upon leaving your residence and arriving at your shooting destination or during the return trip. You are not authorized to take your firearm to any establishment used exclusively for alcohol consumption. You are not authorized to conduct any other non-target shooting or hunting activity while in possession of your handgun. In the event a licensee does choose to break for a refreshment and/or meal, they are responsible for the concealment and safeguarding of their firearms.

Must have been writing my last post while you were posting this. This is much improved and clears up much of the confusion.

I am still curious about the "any other non-target shooting or hunting activity while in possession of your handgun" wording. That still eliminates rest room stops, gas in the car, stops at the emergency room because someone in your carpool is having a heart attack, etc.

Also, to be technical, no establishment that I know of serves alcohol "exclusively" . Even bars (the obvious intent) serve food and non-alcholoic beverages. "Primarily (i.e. bar)" would be a better choice of words. That is how most other areas word it. While the current wording works in _our_ favor, it does open it up to "gamers" would can now legitimately state that although they were in a bar on the way home from the range, they were only drinking soda and eating chips (refreshments). By virtue of buying those non-alcoholic refreshments there, it is proof positive that the establishment doesn't serve alcohol exclusively.

Quoted from Vertiviper

Gary, Thanks very much for posting this.  Is the text in red brand new (added today) since the original release? Do you have a link?

Thanks again.

Yes. The text, in red, is as of this afternoon. The link is their phone line: (631) 852-6118.
Gary

I got to make some phone calls and alert people they were not and may still not be allowed to make stops for refreshments or picking up any one on the way to the range, until this is confirmed...  I am on a mission.  the humanity...ohhh

Quoted from Gary_Hungerford

Have your friend call (631) 852-6118, which is the Handgun Licensing Division. This change was instituted just this morning but effective 1/20.
Gary

Thank you Gary.

Quoted from bobtorre

I mean I got my license after 2002.  I read the booklet several times and talked to other people and it was clear that you were allowed to stop for refreshments on your way to the range... but you are saying that after 2002 that was no longer acceptable ... oh boy...I am in suffolk is this something perhaps related to nassau only?  

wow... I am more surprised that this was taken away at some point in the past than the fact we got it back.... I was honestly oblivious... totally.

The "stop" provision is in the 2002 handbook. It is not in the 2006 or later handbooks. I don't have 2003-2005, so do not know when it was removed.

Interesting thing is, for the past few years, the SCPD website download has been the 2002 version. This mistakenly gave many people the impression (myself included, until I read otherwise here) that the "stop" provision was still in effect.

Gary,

Seriously though:

Q: Is there instructions on what we now can do available now (online/print)
A: If you go to SCPD, in Yaphank, they will tell you this or if you call them, at (631) 852-6118, they will verify that this is the rule, as of today.
Q: Should we get a new handbook (even though its and 'insert')?
A: If you want but it’s not necessary.
Q: Should we visit SCPD Licensing Bureau to sign something?
A: If you want but it’s not necessary.
Q: Does this include going to NCPD ranges and/or stopping in Nassau?
A: Yes.

Q: Has the SCPD/NCPD notified of this change globally to avoid and challenges if we do get pulled over?
A: Supposedly.

Quoted from MRobs23

What does this mean exactly? None of those places are used exclusively for alcohol consumption.

   It means don't go to a bar or sit at the bar, in a restaurant.
GAry

Quoted from Gary_Hungerford

Q: Does this include going to NCPD ranges and/or stopping in Nassau?
A: Yes.

Q: Has the SCPD/NCPD notified of this change globally to avoid and challenges if we do get pulled over?
A: Supposedly.

This is the point that always gets me (not just this, but all the local county restrictions).

I understand that Nassau and Suffolk probably work together to coordinate. Still, whatever Suffolk decides really has no effect on Nassau. Nassau can/should only enforce their own rules. They can notify Nassau of whatever they like. Nassau is still going to enforce their own rules and restrictions and has no way to enforce (or make exceptions for) Suffolk's. I understand that these things are administrative rules and not law, but that's the point. If Nassau doesn't allow the refreshment stop, they can hassle you for stopping and report you to Suffolk (which would result in no action since Suffolk now allows the stop). But only the issuing county can actually enforce their own administrative restrictions.

Quoted from jrm

Must have been writing my last post while you were posting this. This is much improved and clears up much of the confusion.

I am still curious about the "any other non-target shooting or hunting activity while in possession of your handgun" wording. That still eliminates rest room stops, gas in the car, stops at the emergency room because someone in your carpool is having a heart attack, etc.

Also, to be technical, no establishment that I know of serves alcohol "exclusively" . Even bars (the obvious intent) serve food and non-alcholoic beverages. "Primarily (i.e. bar)" would be a better choice of words. That is how most other areas word it. While the current wording works in _our_ favor, it does open it up to "gamers" would can now legitimately state that although they were in a bar on the way home from the range, they were only drinking soda and eating chips (refreshments). By virtue of buying those non-alcoholic refreshments there, it is proof positive that the establishment doesn't serve alcohol exclusively.

   It means you don't decide to do things like "go plinking," at a stack of soda cans, in some yard or go shoot rats or pigeons, calling it "hunting." The only place you can shoot a handgun, on LI, other than in self defense, is at one of the ranges.
   Gas station stops or any other reasonable (not to go to a movie or to watch a ball game or to go to work) stop is OK.
Gary

Quoted from jrm

The "stop" provision is in the 2002 handbook. It is not in the 2006 or later handbooks. I don't have 2003-2005, so do not know when it was removed.

Interesting thing is, for the past few years, the SCPD website download has been the 2002 version. This mistakenly gave many people the impression (myself included, until I read otherwise here) that the "stop" provision was still in effect.

Hi guys...I'm working off memory so I'm not sure of the exact year but the provision has gone through a number of changes with the one announced today being a welcome return to allow for incidental stops. Hopefully with a favorable SCOTUS decision it's just a start.

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Quoted from Gary_Hungerford

   It means you don't decide to do things like "go plinking," at a stack of soda cans, in some yard or go shoot rats or pigeons, calling it "hunting." The only place you can shoot a handgun, on LI, other than in self defense, is at one of the ranges.
   Gas station stops or any other reasonable (not to go to a movie or to watch a ball game or to go to work) stop is OK.
Gary

Gary... thanks so much for all your help on this and we appreciate you answering all of our questions.  I wish we could have gotten in a provision to be able to pick up ammo at the gun store but I'll take what we can get.

Quoted from bobtorre

I mean I got my license after 2002.  I read the booklet several times and talked to other people and it was clear that you were allowed to stop for refreshments on your way to the range... but you are saying that after 2002 that was no longer acceptable ... oh boy...I am in suffolk is this something perhaps related to nassau only?  

wow... I am more surprised that this was taken away at some point in the past than the fact we got it back.... I was honestly oblivious... totally.

Did El Guapo get the English language version or the Spanish language version?   Seriously, I got my license this past summer. I got the handbook. Then I got it off the internet, and printed it out on full size paper to make it easier to read. Then, while reading it, I found myself scratching my head. One real confusing book.

Quoted from OH UNCLE PAUL

Now how long before some dumbass pushes it too far and messes it up for everyone?

From reading some of the posts on here... not long now LOL

Quoted from CaptainMitchell

From reading some of the posts on here... not long now LOL

X2 lol

Quoted from Vertiviper

X2 lol

X3

But they STILL don't have 265.20 7e correct, and the change is several years old. The age is fourteen, not eighteen.

When I'm going to the range, only one thing on my mind, having fun! Forget food but at least now I can stop and take a leak...lol

Isn't this the latest handbook? ( January 2008 )

http://www.suffolkcountyny.us/.....20size%203-27-08.pdf

I don't see anything with that kind of detail.