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#900854 Like this thread if you believe in the 2nd Amendment

Posted by HKFANBOY on June 04 2013 - 05:24 PM

I'm not asking you to do anything as difficult as driving to or getting on a bus to Albany. I simply want you to hit the like button. I should get 9,000 likes no problem. What could be easier than a click of a mouse? Very little effort needed, no money expenditure. I will update the thread as to how many likes I've gotten once a day. Although I should probably get the 9,000 within a couple of hours.
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#1363343 Hitler is Sick of all the Mcfly Derails

Posted by Gman86 on August 22 2014 - 08:19 AM

Enjoy. I'll be in the corner quietly sobbing.



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#1693970 DSI - New Store and Range Official Announcement

Posted by DarkStorm on September 04 2015 - 03:05 PM

9-4-2015 - It's official, we will be moving to a new larger state of the art store this fall. The new store will be right on Sunrise Highway in Oakdale provide easy on, easy off access. The 6300 sq-ft store will incorporate a showroom 5x our current size as well as additional warehouse space and room to bring more of our manufacturing in house next year. We received all of our special use permits from the town and expect to start renovation in the next few weeks. Our goal is to be open mid to late November, in time for the holiday season. Once the store is open, we will begin the build out of the indoor shooting range. The range will incorporate state of the art ventilation, lighting, noise management and backstop and be certified for any handgun caliber and up to 7.62x51 (.308) rifle. The range will have 6 lanes, 5 standard width and one ADA wheelchair accessible lane. The range is 50' overall and will provide a tip to target distance of approx 12 yards. We thought long and hard but could not justify the space and expense to go a full 25 yards. The range is primarily intended for testing, training and demos. The facility will also have a 24 seat classroom. We will be partnering with a number of the local instructors to offer a variety of educational programs, both classroom and live fire in the range. We do plan on having a rental / demo pistols. Which ones, will be initially dictated by which manufacturers offer is programs, but I would expect a minimum of Glock, S&W and Springfield to start. Initially the range will be open to members only but we will likely add some limited public hours as we move forward through 2016. We have started soliciting range members for our Founding Fathers program. I will post more details on this later in the week. We are very excited to be bring Long Island this tactical shooting super center. We believe the Long Island shooting community deserves it and we hope to see all of you at the grand opening later this fall.

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#910334 My new son and his first gun!

Posted by cgeminski on June 13 2013 - 07:21 AM

The day I was born my father bought me a Winchester Youth bolt action .22 rifle. I learned to shoot with that rifle, more importantly I learned to shoot safely with it. To this day it is one of my most prized possessions, in fact in my avatar photo you can see my father and I with the .22, I am holding a shotgun, which I did not know the significance of until last night.

My first child, a son named Daniel was born on Tuesday. Mom and baby are doing fantastic, I spent some time at the hospital with them last night then came home to find a special present on my kitchen counter.... A brand new Remington 870 Wingmaster .410 shotgun, the very same one in my avatar. My father had bought it for my first son and saved it all these years. I was so moved, I wrote an email to some of my best friends and family last night. Here is that letter, along with some photos. I just wanted to share because it seems there are fewer people today who can appreciate this story, however on this forum I know all of you will.

So I left work a little early and spent some time with Daniel this evening. I came home at midnight, after spending an hour and a half with Daniel in my arms, which was pretty cool. During that time I had the opportunity to talk to him about all the great things he has to look forward to in life... Among those were hunting and fishing with his Dad and grandfather, hunting upstate with Uncle Mike & Uncle Chris and fishing with Uncle Scott. He seemed particularly impressed when I started talking to him about being safe & responsible in the outdoors, all the many types of ducks he would have to learn and how I would teach him to field dress deer and filet fish. Proof of that was later found in his diapers, just in case you are wondering how I knew..... Kids!

Anyway, when I got home I turned on the kitchen lights to find a brand new Remington 870 Wingmaster in .410 laying on my counter. Along with the gun was a note:

“To My Grandson Daniel,
Just a little note to you on the day you were born. This is for you, a new Remington 870 Wingmaster .410 shotgun. I did the same thing for your Dad when he was born, so in keeping tradition this is your birthday gift. I hope we can hunt together someday and I know you will enjoy this .410 with your Dad, but only when you are old enough and properly trained in firearms safety.
I know how proud your Dad is, and I’m sure he can’t wait to introduce you to “the great outdoors” and teach you our family tradition of hunting and fishing. I know he started you right, one of your first pictures is you wearing a camouflage hat. You are going to be one lucky young man, I saw the proud smile on your Dad’s face. All he said was “he’s a keeper”! Enjoy and respect the outdoors and what mother nature has provided us.

With My Love,

Grandpa
June 11, 2013”


My father is not a man who writes many words on cards, so in addition to the 870 the note tore at my heart pretty good, all in a real good way. The day I was born Dad bought me my first gun, a Winchester Youth .22 bolt action rifle. I learned to shoot with that gun and will gladly pass it down to Daniel when the time is right. Now Daniel has his first rifle and shotgun, a pretty lucky kid I would have to say. I might have to buy him his first fishing rod this week!

I had to call my Dad and wake him up, just to thank him for this gift to my son in addition to the greatest gift he has ever given me... my love of the shooting, hunting, fishing and the outdoors in general (for some reason the phone kept getting wet during the conversation, some kind of crazy phenomona I guess). I spent another 20 minutes meticulously taking the gun apart, oiling every part and re-assembling it, all to 1am. The funniest part was when I opened my gun safe, there was only one spot remaining for a long gun, the rest of the safe was full. Now I know why that spot remained open, everything happens for a reason.

Not only has my love of the outdoors given me many wonderful adventures, more importantly it has given me life-long friendships which are the most important. If you are getting this email it’s because we have shared the love of the outdoors together and I know you will understand where I am coming from. Your friendship means the world to me and I can only hope that my son will be as lucky as I am, to enjoy the outdoors with his friends as he grows up. Thanks for being my friend, I look forward to more adventures in the outdoors with all of you and my son Daniel.

Your friend always,

Chris

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#1021276 OFFICIAL DISCUSSION - LIF FEDERAL LAWSUIT AGAINST NYSAFE ACT [Caron vs Cuomo]

Posted by The Architect on September 27 2013 - 04:37 PM

http://saf.org/viewpr-new.asp?id=455

SEE NEXT REPLY FOR THE ACTUAL PDF FILE OF THE LAWSUIT AND OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT FROM LIF!

ALSO VISIT www.FightNYSafe.org for additional info!




SAF SUES NEW YORK OVER 'SAFE ACT' MAGAZINE LIMITS

For Immediate Release: 9/27/2013

BELLEVUE, WA – The Second Amendment Foundation filed suit today in federal court seeking to enjoin the State of New York from enforcing provisions of the so-called “SAFE Act” that limit the use of gun magazines containing more than seven cartridges.

SAF is joined in the lawsuit by the Shooters Committee for Political Education (SCOPE) and Long Island Firearms LLC. They are represented by New York attorneys David Jensen and Robert P. Firriolo.

Named as defendants in the lawsuit are New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Joseph D’Amico, superintendent of the Division of State Police.

The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of New York, asserts that the seven-round loading restriction violates the Second Amendment because it “substantially interferes with the right of law abiding citizens to defend themselves and is not sufficiently related to any compelling or otherwise adequate government interest.”

“The cartridge limit is arbitrary and serves no useful purpose other than to frustrate, and perhaps entrap, law abiding citizens who own firearms with standard capacity magazines that were designed to hold more than seven rounds,” said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. “Several top law enforcement officials have already publicly stated they will not enforce provisions of this law, yet Gov. Cuomo and Supt. D’Amico are pushing ahead.

“The law is contradictory, in that it is legal in New York to possess magazines that hold up to ten cartridges,” he added. “But the SAFE Act limits people to seven rounds, with some narrow exceptions. This amounts to virtual entrapment for anyone who loads more than seven rounds in a magazine for self-defense purposes.

“Magazines that hold ten or more rounds are in common use all over the country,” Gottlieb concluded. “This arbitrary limit essentially penalizes law abiding citizens for exercising their right of self-defense, and that cannot be allowed to stand.”
The Second Amendment Foundation (www.saf.org) is the nation's oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 650,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control. In addition to the landmark McDonald v. ChicagoSupreme Court Case, SAF has previously funded successful firearms-related suits against the cities of Los Angeles; New Haven, CT; New Orleans; Chicago and San Francisco on behalf of American gun owners, a lawsuit against the cities suing gun makers and numerous amicus briefs holding the Second Amendment as an individual right.

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#1533939 Someone posting photos of guns on FB

Posted by OH UNCLE PAUL on February 16 2015 - 06:23 PM

MYOB.
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#1457750 My daughter made the school Rifle Team

Posted by CJ on November 24 2014 - 05:18 PM

My daughter found out that she made the Massapequa H.S. Rifle team today! I am extremely proud of her accomplishment!

A few weeks ago she came home from school all excited because she found out that there was a rifle team at school and try-outs were upcoming. She is in the 9th grade.

The team's coach said that it was very competitive and only 4 new students would make the team. My daughter said that there were at least 2 dozen others students trying out. I figured she had a bit of an upper hand because of what I was able to pass on to her from my USMC training. She has an uncanny ability to hit the bull. Try-outs were M-F all last week and all students shot everyday. On Friday after the shooting session, they all received a letter from the coach. My daughters letter stated she made it to round 2 of try-outs.....round 2 was today. Round 2 started with 8 students and 4 made the final cut. My daughter being 1 of the 4!

All we really know is that they shoot scoped air rifles and the range is in the basement of the HS. We have a mandatory meeting tomorrow and I'll get to find out more about the team.

Again, I just wanna say I am so very proud of my daughter.
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#1317610 2 antis at Calverton

Posted by McCaffrey on July 06 2014 - 10:49 AM

My sister in law is visiting from North Carolina. She's starting Johns Hopkins soon, real liberal anti gun type. Out of nowhere, I asked her if she wanted to go to the range with me. Her jaw drops and she says no. Why not? Cause I don't like guns, she says. I say, how could you not like something you have never experienced? Now she starts thinking. I then get, I'll need to think about it.

I then turn to my wife (who just doesn't like them), will you finally go if she goes? She pauses, thinks, and says she'll go if her sister goes. I can all ready see it in her face. I'll never get her sister to go, so she's just humoring me.

Later on, my SIL spoke with her liberal boyfriend. He surprises me when he told her something along the lines of not learning to drive a car because of people who drink and drive and kill someone. I am totally shocked at his advise in this situation!

Ok, so we are going to Calverton.

We get there at 9, Sat morning. On the way I explain some safety rules, and try to set the scene for them. I start them 1 at a time on a scoped semi 22lr at 50 yards. They each put a few mags down range and are doing great. I asked if they are more comfortable now and we'll stay with the 22. They tell me its like a toy and its boring. Ok

Move on to a bolt action .223. Other than being a spaz trying to work the bolt, my wife absolutely loves it. They are both smiling, having fun, and nailing bullseyes. Still 50 yards, scoped and off bags. Lets switch it up.

Finish up standing with a M1 carbine. Now I'm just hoping for paper. My SIL gets a few, my wife nothing.

In the end, both had a great time. They now understand the fun in the "sporting" side of firearms. I thought I'd leave it there for now, I didn't want to ruin my progress with a right to defend yourself debate.

Also, I'd like to thank the RO's for giving them some advise and making the atmosphere friendly and enjoyable.
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#762794 A plea from the plow guy.

Posted by OH UNCLE PAUL on February 10 2013 - 01:54 AM

As part of my job I help plow the roads. After 25 years I've seen a lot.

Every winter I see the same thing. People who are pissed at the plow guy. People who love the plow guy. I can travel 150' down a road and go from someone yelling and cursing at me ( I've had shovels thrown at me, beer bottles, etc.) to someone who stands in front of the pick up to stop me to offer a beverage or sandwich. This storm topped them all for weirdness. I'll get back to that.

Overall it wasn't that bad time wise. I only worked 36 straight. The worst was the winter of 96 that had a 72 hour shift with few breaks. People need to understand that the same guy they saw one night is the same guy the see the next afternoon. You had a nice dinner and went to bed. We worked all night and are still there, with a 7/11 hot dog for dinner the night before plowed all night. To keep the roads open.

This brings me to my first point. Especially in a storm like this we are going round the clock. We open the roads, that is all. Emergency response needs to get to you. That is our priority. I don't care if you work the night shift and your driveway has a mound of snow in front of it. I care about you home that might catch fire. I care about your neighbor that needs an ambulance. We all know heart attack rates jump during snow storms. You worry about your driveway. I care about the map area I have to keep open.

Point number 2. Unless you really really need to be somewhere, don't shovel out a path from your driveway into the center of the street. You are just wasting your time and effort. It will all be plowed under as a map area is cleared and the snow has stopped. That is when we go curb to curb. And we do go curb to curb. ( ok maybe a foot or two short) we do this to once again keep roads open. People park away from the snow bank at the curb so a passenger can get in or out. This puts your car further into the street. Now imagine the guy across the street doing the same thing. Sometimes people are stupid. They can park cars so far out that you can't get a car through much less a fire truck.

I see all the comments about snow blowers. Everyone look at your snow blower. On most of them you can direct where the snow goes. Christ on a pony, put the snow on your lawn. IT'S WATER!!! It's not going to hurt your lawn. Snow blowing into the street is just stupid. First off it creates a hazzard. I can plow a road to asphalt only to pass by a half hour later to see it looks like I have never been down it. It also pisses us off. We will be back. Also stop putting your car in the driveway with part of it sticking out into the street. You think that we will not plow it to the curb?? Eventually you will move it and we will do our job. If you want to make your life easier, mound up the snow downroad of your apron. Anything that you mound uproad will only wind up back there. Also please stop putting your car in the middle of the street while you
clear your driveway. I have to wait while you trudge your way to your car to get it out of my way and move it. I might only take you a minute or two but while I sit an wait for 30 or so people to do the same thing, do the math.

Think about what you drive. Stop trying to leave your house in the middle of a snowstorm like this if you own a Prius. You aren't going to make it more than 10 feet. I can't count the number of times I have been stopped from clearing the roads because someone in a Camry thought it could handle 12" of snow. You're not going anywhere, just accept it. Nature is a cold female dog.

To end this now I'll get to the weirdness. It has to do with a cold female dog.
Around 2 am Saturday morning while plowing I came across a lost dog. Nice old BIG female black Lab. She looked so sad trying to walk through the snow. I stopped and tried to get her to come over so I could see if she had any tags. Well this big dog had a different idea. She took one look at me and one look at a nice warm pick up and jumped right in. So there I am standing in the snow and wind in the dark with a strange dog sitting in my truck. Well I had to make some tough choices. Do I make a call on my cell phone to headquarters and explain my situation, forever being known as the guy evicted from his truck in a snow storm by a dog, or make peace?

She seemed happy so I checked her and she had tags. Called the number and no answer. So now what to do? Toss the poor old girl into the cold windy snow? Or take on plow buddy?
Lady ( her name) and I had a few good hours plowing snow together. She laid there, or ALL over there, all over my paper work, my jacket, my camera, my dinner, (well we shared that, she liked her half of the hot dog) until I was able to get in touch with her owners. Probably the best side kick I've ever had plowing. Didn't annoy me with silly stories, didn't fall asleep, and kept me alert. We had fun.
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#1778816 The long fought battle.........Victory is MINE!!!

Posted by Mike the Marine on January 03 2016 - 09:54 AM

Hello everyone! Been a long time since I really participated in this group and for good reason, it was too heartbreaking to be around people who still had their firearms. Back in October of 2014, my now estranged (soon to be ex) wife and I had a verbal altercation and she called the police. Since then, my pistol permit was suspended. Since Columbus Day 2014, my permit and handguns have been locked away in SCPD. I am happy to report, my renewed Suffolk County Pistol License has been returned to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Excuse me while I do back flips down the block!). I'm back and cannot wait to get back out to the range and "Lettin Freedom Ring".
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#1455095 He's here!

Posted by The Idiocracy on November 21 2014 - 07:18 PM

Meet my son, Nicholas ********* II. Named after my father who passed a little more than a year ago.

Born 11/18 in the evening. 6 pounds 14 ounces. Healthy. And awesome.

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#1135798 Congratulations to Long Island Firearms voted #1 website on Long Island 2016,...

Posted by LIF on January 09 2014 - 09:36 AM

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To be recognized as the number #1 rated website on Long Island is truly amazing! Going up against Newsday, News12 just to name a few and coming in first place shows the island that Long Island Firearms really is #1 for your
source of news and education.

Many come to learn about the sport and rights as firearm owners, while others seek enjoyment and a learning experience all within the family friendly guidelines. It's obviously the place to be on the island!

The website, LongIslandFirearms.com started in 2008 and has grown to over 10,000 active members with a amazing 3 million monthly hits. The online community consists of many hobby areas (fishing, camping, RVing, computer help and much more) We also host charity events which include adopt-highway programs, coat drives, blood drives just to name a few.

Yearly BBQs, Camp outings, women safety classes are all hosted by the website at no charge to it's members. It's a way to bring the online experience together and make it pleasurable times.




Long Island Firearms is a Long Island, NY based website that provides an online gathering place, as well as news and information, for Long Island’s many firearms enthusiasts. Since its creation in March 2008, Long Island Firearms has been dedicated to preserving second amendment rights for New Yorkers, and has maintained a highly active online forum community discussing everything from camping, fishing, cars and more! Long Island Firearms is New York’s preeminent firearms website, with over 10,000 forum members and 3 million monthly visitors. For more information about Long Island firearms, please visit http://www.LongIslandFirearms.com
 

 

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#788578 Hickok45 Says Hi!

Posted by hickok45 on February 27 2013 - 03:20 PM

Got an invitation to sign up with you all. Wish I had more time to get around to all the great firearms forums as I used to, but I know you guys are really getting hammered up there in the fight for your 2nd Amendment rights. Keep up the good fight!

Best of luck to you all at the Albany demonstration / rally.

Hickok45




MOD EDIT:
LIF was mentioned by Hickok in his latest radio show. At the 28:00 mark


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#974963 Advice for new members....

Posted by Habsfan on August 13 2013 - 09:32 PM

If you are a new member of LIF I would like to extend to you a hearty welcome! Here you will find a rather diverse group of all social and economic backgrounds. You will also see that there are many different political beliefs. We are also an international group... I myself being from Canada.

Okay, all that mamby-pamby, smarmy stuff aside, here is what you need to know to survive being on LIF....

- we all like guns
- most think Cuomo is a big piece of doggy-doo
- everyone has an opinion
- many opinions are doggy-doo
- if your opinion does not match another person's opinion they will tell you... Often in a not-nice manner.
- if a person throws doggy-doo at you, throw it back
- take nothing personally. People being smart-asses to your valid question are comparable to your older brother. You may think he hates you but deep down he loves you and is just rubbing your nose in it because others did the same to them when they asked the same question
- there are lots of people who think that police have too many powers and are out to get you, your kin-folk, and your dog
- there are lots of members who are police
- there are many tinfoil hat types (conspiracy theorists). We like them mainly just to see what they will say next
- the moderators have ZERO tolerance for racial or ethnic slurs... Unless you are a Canadian. Apparently Canucks are free game around here.
- you will often get smart-Alec answers to your most simple questions. Many on LIf think they are clever.... Many are wrong but we put up with them anyway
- those that have been on LIF a long time will use references to arcane humor like "drop kicks" or "going to Arby's" or "Austin's Jewish camp". Rest assured that you not knowing the reference is okay... Rather it is simply proof that the person making the reference has been on this site WAY too long and needs to get a life.... Myself included.
- LIF is divided into several camps.... AK vs AR, Glock vs 1911, 9mm vs 45ACP, etc.... You do not have to pick a side but also do not hesitate to chime in on the conversation
- You do have to chime in on any conversation which either includes or starts with "what State has the....", "hate this liberal sinkhole...", or "is it legal to...."


All this said,

- the members on this board will give you the shirt off their back to help you
- if you need help, someone will help you
- I personally have never met a bad LIF'er in real life
- we get together for events to shoot, socialize, and do charity work
- if you are a full, I bought the membership, member you can take advantage of the many benefits like group buys
- you will learn a lot
- you will make friends


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#1823980 Another +1 to my wife

Posted by MetalHead on March 04 2016 - 10:18 PM

All this talk of good deeds and pay it forwards and my wife nailed it tonight.

We went out to Applebee's to dinner. When we walked in there were two young gentlemen in U.S. Army fatigues having dinner. My wife nudged me and said...." I'd like to buy them dinner... Can we do that?" I looked over at them and said absolutely!
We told the servers and they took care of the rest. I've never done something like that before and I've gotta say, It sure felt good to have the opportunity.
They thanked us profusely as they left, shook our hands and complimented my sons' "made in the U.S.A" tee shirt.
Thanks to all who serve.
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#1676253 I am now the proud owner of N963MJ

Posted by rcpilot on August 08 2015 - 02:49 PM

Plane was delivered yesterday to Brookhaven. It's a 2004 Zenith Zodiac CH601 XLB experimental(i.e. homebuilt) light sport aircraft. At the age of 55 I finally decided to fill a life long dream and learn to fly. I'm going for sport pilot and there seems to be both a shortage of schools offering it as well as aircraft locally. So I decided to just get my own plane and will probably start my lessons in a couple of weeks. My instructor has to fly 5 hours in my plane by himself to make the insurance people happy. Looking forward to getting in the air!

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#1551679 It's official. Another one bites the dust!

Posted by The Idiocracy on March 05 2015 - 07:02 PM

I'm out! Just received and accepted an offer at General Motors!!! Picking the family up and moving to Warren, Michigan.

Freedom guns and not NY here I come!!!
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#1381967 I'm the ruger winner...

Posted by heartlessmcfly on September 11 2014 - 09:08 AM

Just got a call from rugers legal department congratulating me on being the "left handed sweepstakes winner". Product will be valued from $250-600.00 must be shipped to an FFL so I'm assuming its a firearm. Must take possession by Monday and send picture back by Monday 9pm!

Woot me!
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#1320643 Engaged an Anti at the Verizon store

Posted by Aquabach on July 09 2014 - 02:08 PM

I needed a new phone so my GF went with me to Verizon to buy one for me as a b-day present.
While there this loud mouth stereotype Brooklyn Quido comes in.
Interrupts the guy helping us to tell him stories about his Dad's phone and how kids text too much yada yada yda.
While another guy starts helping us and loading up all the stuff for my phone and the other guy is waiting he starts to talk to my gf about how it was growing up in Brooklyn, & Harlem and how tough he was but now people have guns and the damn idiot NRA President has no right to mouth off on the graves of 20 dead kids but the politicians are scared of the gun lobby and losing their money.
That was it. I had enough. I told him the NRA is regular people. Not big corporations, business or unions using other people's money for their agenda.
He went back to the NRA president pushing his agenda on the dead bodies of those kids and he has no right to do that.
"As opposed to Obama, Cuomo, and all the other liberal politicians that pushed their agendas on the bodies of those dead children and brought out the family members at carefully chosen press conferences?"
And he has the right to an opinion because of that pesky Constitution.
Too bad you don't like the Constitution but I like it a lot."

He then went to the tried and true anti message of "No body needs a gun to protect themselves. I don't."
"Good for you." I said. "If you don't want a gun don't get one but leave mine alone."
Then he channeled his inner Piers Morgan and went off on statistically you're more likely to shoot yourself than a burglar.
"And the NRA idiots say only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with one."
I replied, " There right! How else you going to stop them? I then started telling him some facts.
How many MILLIONS of gun owners there were in this country that haven't shot themselves or anyone else. How all these gun laws do not stop dirtbags. How we protect our President, politicians, celebrities, with guns but for children we hang up a sign saying Gun Free Zone.
How you are more likely to be killed with a hammer than a so called assault rifle.
I said, "I'm very pro 2A and I base my opinions on facts. You don't know what your talking about no matter how much you read the Daily News or watch MSNBC.
Again. you don't want a gun you shouldn't have one. As far as mine go it's none of your damn business."
At this point my GF asked me to stop.
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#1038096 It's official!

Posted by heartlessmcfly on October 13 2013 - 07:36 AM

After 7 years and 5 months, I am now married to my best friend and the love of my life. What a crazy day! I almost lost it about 5 times between seeing her parents crying, her dad walking her down the aisle, our vows....but I held it in and sucked it up.
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